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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the comments
Yes I put blocks between the roof skin and frame.
It's written up in the Limey thread as I figured that it wasn't part of the roof conversion.
Follow the link in my signature.
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cptgreenvalley Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2011 Posts: 86 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, will have a look _________________ 1979 T2 Camper 2.0FI - Sportsman Conversion ( US import)
1987 T3 Syncro Vanagon 1.9TD ( Decoupler, Double Diffs, Westfalia conversion)
1991 Golf MK2 Country Syncro 1.8
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Well it's taken a while but finally I booked Limey in to have the roof painted.
It's looking a little different!
The paint is not perfect though but I expected that as I just asked the painter to change the colour, not repair imperfections.
I had the roof stored on top of my Bluestar on a roofrack and we had a storm. The roof ended up blowing off and getting wedged inbetween the Bluestar and the house. Not good.
It didn't break but there are now plenty of cracks in the gel-coat. I understand that the only way to fix these is to grind out each one and repair it. NOT FUN!
You live and learn.
This repair work will have to be carried out before the van gets a new paint job.
For the moment, it's white (VW White R902 if anyone wants to know) which is not a blinding white, in fact the Fiamma canopy is a whiter white which is what I wanted.
The interior liner that goes between the bottom of the upper window and the interior is a mess. I'm going to have to look for more material to replace it with in the future.
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cptgreenvalley Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2011 Posts: 86 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Great job!
Will glue my high roof any day now, based on your informative thread! _________________ 1979 T2 Camper 2.0FI - Sportsman Conversion ( US import)
1987 T3 Syncro Vanagon 1.9TD ( Decoupler, Double Diffs, Westfalia conversion)
1991 Golf MK2 Country Syncro 1.8
2010 BMW 330xd & 320xd |
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:20 am Post subject: |
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cptgreenvalley wrote: |
Great job!
Will glue my high roof any day now, based on your informative thread! |
Good news
It's a bit nerve racking
Check, check and check again with your measurements before fitting it for the last time. Once it's on... it's on
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t3t3t3 Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2018 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:57 am Post subject: |
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I am in the middle of a similar conversion. Your thread has been very helpful and encouraging.
I have a bit of trouble putting the cupboard in position. Do the front corners rest on the roof frame? The front edge does not in my understanding. It rests on the little 90° angle screwed onto the inner side of the frame, correct?
My cupboard is not as wide as the roof frame, so it would be held only by the angle at the front, the front corners and screwed to the 'safety bow'.
Thanks!
SyncroGhia wrote: |
So... I figure that I'm just finishing off the thread.
Below the front cupboard, there is a finishing strip per side which are held in place by a metal retaining strip.
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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t3t3t3 wrote: |
I am in the middle of a similar conversion. Your thread has been very helpful and encouraging.
I have a bit of trouble putting the cupboard in position. Do the front corners rest on the roof frame? The front edge does not in my understanding. It rests on the little 90° angle screwed onto the inner side of the frame, correct?
My cupboard is not as wide as the roof frame, so it would be held only by the angle at the front, the front corners and screwed to the 'safety bow'.
Thanks!
SyncroGhia wrote: |
So... I figure that I'm just finishing off the thread.
Below the front cupboard, there is a finishing strip per side which are held in place by a metal retaining strip.
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Yes the front corners and a small tab in the centre, and the rear 4 screws are what support the cupboard.
It sounds nuts but that's how it's designed.
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:33 am Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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Update as I'm finally getting onto the roof rack design and fit.
I bought a bulk load of 25mm 3mm wall thickness aluminium tube a while back (something like 18 meters!) and then some 180° curves to cut up.
I've been buying tooling to be able to curve and cut the pipework while finalising the design.
The supported needed turning down and having a small lathe made this easy if not a little time consuming.
Once I had all ten supports cut to the right length and machined to fit inside the nylon liners (the tubes that are bolted / bonded onto the roof are stainless steel and the rack is aluminium... not a great combination for galvanic corrosion but nobody makes the supports in aluminium).
[img]when I find the photo![/img]
Front angled supports...
Vertical supports...
Then onto curving the bars in the rollers.
Little by little...
Now onto fitting the vertical supports into the bases.
And offering up the front bar.
And then having the front sections welded up to trial fit the front section...
And playing around with positions of it.
I prefer it sitting further back I think.
Now I need to go and cut up the 180° section into angles of 34° and 38° to match the roof angles... now where's that protractor??
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:11 am Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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Following on from all of previous work, I took a couple of days off work to finish off the roof design and booked in with a local welder to weld it all up on the van.
One day for me to finish the design work and the other day for it to be welded on.
I'll let the pics do the talking.
So as you can see by the light on the last pics, I worked late and got it done.
The next morning the local welder was suddenly 'unavailable' and cancelled on me by 10:30am. I was furious.
I put out a shout on FB and a fellow T3 enthusiast put up his hand and said that he would take on the job. The T3 scene has some great people in it and David is one of them.
Take a bow David Cooksey!
So... move on a few weeks and try again.
This time... it was actually going to happen!
With scaffolding on both sides of the van, it was a lot easier to build the cage back up and start welding.
The rear ladder got finished off too
After 12 hours of welding, it's finally done.
I am having some supports turned up at the local machine shop (I know my limits!) for the rear luggage rack and I've bought a fiamma rack from ebay for under a tenner to see if I can modify it and use that as the flip down part with hinges etc.
Thank you again David!
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16503 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Floyd1966 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2013 Posts: 27 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:47 am Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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Lovely welding! |
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Multiman mv Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2017 Posts: 987 Location: Martha's Vineyard, Ma
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:14 am Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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Great write up and photos. Very well done! |
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Scurry Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 44 Location: Pietrasanta, Italy
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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I just read the entire thread this evening. Great work. Keep her if you can. Youve inspired many people with this project. |
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JackWesty Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2018 Posts: 4 Location: St Albans, UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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Apologies for reviving this thread if necessary.
It’s been incredibly helpful to me as I took the roof off our Westy hightop, fixed the rust, and I’m now putting it back on. So huge thanks!
Like you I’m wondering whether to reinstate the metal strips that originally held the fibreglass lip in the gutter.
I think you skipped this and just glued them in with the Silkaflex 252.
If you were doing it all over again would you make the same choice?
This would be my preference as it complicates things I think.
Perhaps other members have an opinion? If so I’d be grateful for those thoughts.
Also I’m thinking if using Silkaflex 552. Does any one have any experience of that? Like the 252 it’s a structural adhesive but a polymer rather than polyurethane. It can still be used at 5 degrees centigrade unlike the 252 which requires 10 degrees minimum is why I’m thinking of using it in November in England.
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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JackWesty wrote: |
Apologies for reviving this thread if necessary.
It’s been incredibly helpful to me as I took the roof off our Westy hightop, fixed the rust, and I’m now putting it back on. So huge thanks!
Like you I’m wondering whether to reinstate the metal strips that originally held the fibreglass lip in the gutter.
I think you skipped this and just glued them in with the Silkaflex 252.
If you were doing it all over again would you make the same choice?
This would be my preference as it complicates things I think.
Perhaps other members have an opinion? If so I’d be grateful for those thoughts.
Also I’m thinking if using Silkaflex 552. Does any one have any experience of that? Like the 252 it’s a structural adhesive but a polymer rather than polyurethane. It can still be used at 5 degrees centigrade unlike the 252 which requires 10 degrees minimum is why I’m thinking of using it in November in England.
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Thanks all for your kind words.
I wouldn't bother with the lip folding over the roof. Adhesive technology has moved on since these were built. Just make sure that you use the primer etc.
Good luck!
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JackWesty Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2018 Posts: 4 Location: St Albans, UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:36 am Post subject: Re: T3 Westfalia Hightop Conversion - Hochdach |
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Thanks, that’s really helpful once again.
I’m going to check with Sika but if the 552 is ok instead of the 252 it supposedly doesn’t need the primers just the cleaners and also it’s UV tolerant. |
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