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Jesiandabe
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 Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:43 am Post subject: Deck lid lock |
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| So I bought a 1970 beetle a couple of months ago and I have been workin on the odd and ends. One of the only things remaining is getting the deck lid to lock. When I bought it the door locks was kinda stiff so I filled em full of kroil and the work awesome. Done the same on the deck lid and no go. Anyone have any ideas? It latches good, just the key wont turn. |
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Tim Donahoe
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Notice the vast numbers of those "lock" rear deck locks that are for sale on The Samba Classifieds?
I don't think any of them work. I suspect it's because--when installed--the "L" shaped latch does not seat fully. The lock won't lock unless it is fully closed--the latch, that is.
I'm going to grind off some of the inside of the "L" and see if that works.
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sb001
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Jesiandabe wrote: |
| It latches good, just the key wont turn. |
You have a key lock on your deck lid??? 
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fred69vert
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I don't think I'd want my engine lid locked. In the remote chance that I have an engine fire (and my fuel filter is under the tank) I want to be able to get to it with the extinguisher.
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Cusser
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Tim Donahoe
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I have one made by Hella. The damn thing will lock when it's off the hood, but when you install it, the arm will not fully close. Unless the arm closes fully, you cannot turn the key to lock it.
That's why I'm going to remove some of the inside of the "L" latch. Removing some metal will allow the latch to close fully, and I'll be able to use the key.
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jhicken
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Jesiandabe wrote: |
| It latches good, just the key wont turn. |
Most likely it uses a different key.
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Joel
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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All of my original decklid latches have the code for the key stamped on the side like the door handles and ignition barrel,
Make sure the code matches them but its pretty rare for a decklid lock to match the door/ignition key anyway.
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I don't think any of them work. I suspect it's because--when installed--the "L" shaped latch does not seat fully. The lock won't lock unless it is fully closed--the latch, that is. |
Have a close look at the rubber stopper for the decklid, it is threaded so it can be wound in or out so the decklid latches properly but doesnt rattle.
Also people lettig the spring slam the decklid shut alot can bend the catch tab down which makes it harder to latch.
All of mine except one have had locking latches which work fine.
They are pretty simple to remove the barrel from and rekey. |
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neil68
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: decklid lock |
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Back in my university days, I came out of class one day and my '74 Beetle wouldn't start. Did the step-by-step check and found that someone had removed the rotor from the distributor. Immediately went and purchased the locking latch and have had them on every Beetle since...
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Globespotter
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Joel
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Very likely. The locking latch is not standard equipment, and in my case (and I suspect the majority) the lock is keyed differently from the doors and ignition. |
That stands to reason if it's a dealer or PO fitted lock but there were factory fitted ones that were keyed alike to the doors and ignition, even the owners manual backs that up, I know it isn't just my car.
I've still got the original handles and locks from one of my other supers in the shed, the key code on the side of the decklid latch matches the one on the handles.
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Tim Donahoe
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The Hella "key-lock" deck lid lock I purchased is in every way identical to the original I have. However, the original also does not completely latch. Although, the lid is nice and snugly tight. So this causes no problem with my original non-locking latch. The lid stays closed with no weird rattle.
But a new Hella locking latch apparently requires that the latch arm be closed completely for the key to turn and lock and unlock. My only guess as to why my new locking latch doesn't latch all the way is because the rear apron is not the original and the tab on the apron is off a mm, or so.
So I will try removing some metal from the lock (I don't want to experiment with my apron tab) to see if I can get the latch to close all the way.
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Cusser
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| I've had a key lock on my engine lid (1971) for decades, works good. I bought it at a local VW shop. |
I should add that my engine lid has hood standoffs, just in case that does matter. I do have to latch it and then turn the key to lock it.
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carlos101490
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Question. where can I get a L shaped catch plate? mine fell off of my bug the rivets gave out. |
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Jesiandabe wrote: |
| So I bought a 1970 beetle a couple of months ago and I have been workin on the odd and ends. One of the only things remaining is getting the deck lid to lock. When I bought it the door locks was kinda stiff so I filled em full of kroil and the work awesome. Done the same on the deck lid and no go. Anyone have any ideas? It latches good, just the key wont turn. |
Remove the latch and take it to your local locksmith. They can turkey or clean it up and get it working cheaper than you can. Around here it costs me $20.00.
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Question. where can I get a L shaped catch plate? mine fell off of my bug the rivets gave out. |
Typically you would just start a new thread, so this one does not get off track. Because it does happen now and then.
Look in the classifieds or fabricate one. They are still available. If you use the search feature, it will streamline the process.
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mukluk
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| Question. where can I get a L shaped catch plate? mine fell off of my bug the rivets gave out. |
https://www.bugcity.com/shop/shop.lasso?pquery=111827513C
Alternatively, you could try to source one from a wrecking yard or make one from some 1/8" or 3/16" plate.
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Tim Donahoe
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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Going back to the original subject of this thread, I mentioned that my new Hella keyed deck-lid lock would not lock while on the car, but it locked fine off the hood. I said I would file off some of the latch material so it would seat down all the way.
This worked. I filed away a few millimeters from the interior of the latch, and it seated. The key would then lock and unlock the lock.
Tim
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Cusser
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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| carlos101490 wrote: |
| Question. where can I get a L shaped catch plate? mine fell off of my bug the rivets gave out. |
I made my own from a Simpson Strong Tie from the hardware store.
Yes, my engine now has been rebuilt, and the rear engine seal replaced.....
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green1303
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Deck lid lock |
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The cheap rear apron for 1968-1974 Beetles is made by IGP in Brazil and distributed by Klokkerholm. The catch plate on that version is slightly too long, so a locking deck lid handle will not lock, but it’s easy to cut the catch plate a few mm shorter.
Just so everybody knows, this high-quality rear apron is now available, made by BBT. It first appeared too late to make it onto my car.
https://www.bbt4vw.com/en/catalogue/1-exterior/4-b...ce-beetle/
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