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dkoesyncro Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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I usually carry spare gas, however I've never used it! Once though i had pulled into an old station where I met another traveler who was expecting to fill up and the station had its permit pulled and tanks decommissioned. No fuel for 86 miles; I gave the traveler my five gallons and his wife gave us a blank check...no BS!
We threw the check away, and the family was able to get to the next station... |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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OK...I guess I'm dumb, or else Google maps is not my friend... FWIW (from recent thread):
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I love having some spare fuel especially on road trips, but I also HATE the hillbilly look of a tall red gas can up in the
luggage rack... My answer involves a commercial low-profile steel can (many types available...I settled on this 5 gal):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CCJ6HNM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
...wrapped in Reflectix (camouflage+insulation) & 4-way strapped into the rack on the passenger side...no bungees, please... :
...with a ground cable & small battery clip wired to the can, then clipped to luggage rack bolt for electrical bonding
to the van frame (to prevent sparks when siphoning or refilling):
Once strapped in & under way there's no need to take it down or move it at all until the trip is done, because:
- being electrically bonded to the frame, filling at the pump can be done in place
(following normal precautions - touch frame of van before placing nozzle & filling)
- siphon to 2WD van tank directly below with standard "jiggle" siphon (at least 7' for 2WD):
This worked a treat in Utah last June, & definitely needed it a couple times on the road.
Plus, I could afford it... (Need I remind y'all I'm cheap...???)
- Dave
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PS: Thanks! I don't hear that very often... |
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS>
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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dkoesyncro wrote: |
I usually carry spare gas, however I've never used it! Once though i had pulled into an old station where I met another traveler who was expecting to fill up and the station had its permit pulled and tanks decommissioned. No fuel for 86 miles; I gave the traveler my five gallons and his wife gave us a blank check...no BS!
We threw the check away, and the family was able to get to the next station... |
Where did you throw the check away , please? _________________ .ssS! |
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RBEmerson Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 2108 Location: SE PA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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That siphon (check NAPA and FLAPS for same) is one of the neatest tools going. Stick the brass thingie (with a marble inside) in the container, jiggle hose and brass thingie up and down, watch the liquid magically rise with each jiggle, until it turns the corner and goes down the tube. Shazam!
I've used a slightly larger version (3/4" hose) to move diesel fuel on my boat when we've had to go to the 25 (5x5 gal.) we carry for "it's a looooong way to the next fuel dock" or I've had to dinghy the tanks out to the anchorage. Definitely a "don't leave home without it" item. Hmmmm... guess I'll take my own advice, even if it's only to siphon out a container that won't pour into our filler. _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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cmayna Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2014 Posts: 1148 Location: SF Bay area, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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Wife says each time we go camping that I already have way too much spare gas..... _________________ '90 Westy / automatic.
If I'm not working on the camper or my '50 Chebbie truck, I'm either fishing with the wife or smoking Salmon.
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AndyBees Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2008 Posts: 2332 Location: Southeast Kentucky
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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In 1986, we drove our 1983 Tin-top AC Vanagon to Alaska. There was no Google Earth in those days, obviously no Internet. We planned the trip over a two year time span. We were out and back in 30 days..... about 10k miles. On the return trip we drove the Cassiar Highway (90% dirt) down through the Rockies, cut cross country in numerous places. Not once did we ever need extra gas.
Seven years later, 1993, we made the trip again. However, we did do two major side excursions, one up to Yellowknife and then back to the Alaska Highway via the Liard Highway (come close running out of gas there due to boarded-up station). Then, we drove the Dempster Highway to Inuvik, NWT.. well above the Arctic Circle. And, then on to Alaska from Dawson City across the Top of the World Road.
We did five more trips to Alaska in that old 83 with the 2003 trip being the last one ... other than the one incident on the Liard, never a need to carry extra gas. _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003.
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7477 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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^^^ It sounds like you start thinking of when you'll need more gas before the needle is halfway through the red. I'll need to try that someday (my motorcycle has an 11.5 gallon gas tank and I've come close to running out of gas on it). _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Blacksmith73 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2014 Posts: 90 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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RBEmerson wrote: |
How do people without a swing-out rack manage carrying extra gas?
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The idea isn't mine, I think I borrowed it from Gruppe B. I have two 10L cans in there (so ~5.3 gallons)
_________________ 1985 VW Vanagon Westfalia Weekender 1.9L |
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AZ Landshaper Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2009 Posts: 1698 Location: The Old Pueblo
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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The piece of mind knowing you have the things you never need is worth the trouble. I find gas to be a pain though. In the desert the sun will expand and contract a gas can (metal or plastic) to the point of no return or a large crack.
But the piece of mind is what its all about if your not a lackadaisical driver.
I need one of those below the floor tanks where the sun dont shine.
I am guilty of being a lackadaisical driver. _________________ Support Small Business.
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85 Weekender w/ EJ22
Previously
64, 71, 72, 73, 76, 81, 84, 85 & 87 Campmobiles and Westfalias
and a 67 bug. |
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 1488 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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cmayna wrote: |
Wife says each time we go camping that I already have way too much spare gas..... |
RBEmerson wrote: |
... jiggle hose and brass thingie up and down ... Shazam! |
My wife says each time we go camping that I jiggle the thingy too much ... Shazam, indeed! |
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nemobuscaptain Samba Member
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RBEmerson Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 2108 Location: SE PA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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There is that.
Rotopax is supposed to be the really explorer-ish way to go. All that's missing is a genuine GoWesty snorkel kit... _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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otiswesty Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2006 Posts: 1731 Location: Portland
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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I had a round plastic spare can underneath in the spare tire carrier that was there for a year or so before I heard it rupture on a really hot day.
Now I use a Mercedes 7L spare tire gas can that was under there in Baja for 3 years with no leaks.
Here's the pic of the can, found it on German eBay
_________________ 1978 Sage Green P22 Westfalia
1989 T3 Syncro Single cab
Just a regular guy |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32632 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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cheapest thing in a VW is the loose nut behind the steering wheel.
I've a serious peeve against gas cans bungee'd to the roof rack..
does one NEED auxillary gas for travel out west.. no.. well maybe.. of course it depends.. but generally no.. unless you like having to source gas when the needle tells you to..
too often I've found stations no longer open, or just a gas station I'd prefer not to patronize..
so I have a 7gal AUX "tank2" in lieu of my spare tire.. even find it handy for our NY to FL trips down I-95.. again I don't like being told I have to get gas here, now..
also I'll slip this link in here..
and I offer absolutely NO ASSURANCES this will fit into a vanagon spare tire while in the clamshell..
can't even assure you it will seal gas while laying flat. as the volvo 240 mounts their spare tire upright in the trunk. http://www.collectorcarads.com/Picture7/Interior_Trunk_Spare_Tire.jpg
but it likely fits DJKeev's price sensitivity and well I've never seen one this cheap before.. nore likely will again.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-VOLVO-Red-Metal-O...3171540934 _________________
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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these also stand a chance of fitting into the spare tire rim.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/5L-Fuel-Tank-Jerry-Cans-S...1970823995
but don't take my word for it, measure 3xs and YMMV _________________
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RBEmerson Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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That's the Rotopax can or a clone.
I'd bring an MB tank back from Germany (going in Dec.), but I doubt I can get it in my bags. Oh well... _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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just pack it in your checked bags next to your mag lite _________________
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michaelbteam Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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I learned the "hard way" how [very] accurate my syncro fuel gauge is; when the needle hit the empty mark, the engine quit. So I carry a 2 gallon Rotopax in the luggage rack when necessary, not exactly advisable but easy to access. I add a reflective insulated cover to protect somewhat against direct sunlight. I subsequently also learned that the syncro 18.5 gallon fuel capacity is hard to achieve, and that some people advise against "over filling" since it can contribute to some failure in the tank. |
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AndyBees Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Spare gas for "in the middle of nowhere" driving |
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jimf909 wrote: |
^^^ It sounds like you start thinking of when you'll need more gas before the needle is halfway through the red. I'll need to try that someday (my motorcycle has an 11.5 gallon gas tank and I've come close to running out of gas on it). |
We purchased that 83 AC in April of 85 purposely to make the Alaska trip. It was only 2 years old and had 40k on the oddie. One of the first things I did was drive it until it ran out of fuel so that I'd have a good idea of what to expect with reference to the fuel gauge. Then, we did a few road trips to the south with the longest being along the Gulf shore from Louisiana to Florida and back to Kentucky. I determined that out on the road at 275 miles on a full tank was the limit as to when I needed to fill-up. However, I did drive it beyond 300 miles a few times with the best being about 320 without running out of fuel.
And, as I stated, we did have that one squeaker. The station was out of business that I had planned for a fill-up. We pushed on to our destiny for the day. The only station was closed. Next morning I filled up at 312 miles on the oddie. I admit, we did some coasting with the engine idling and then with the engine off....
For my TDI Vanagon, I basically did the same thing to establish those numbers. 400 miles is the max that I consider a fill-up is due. _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003. |
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