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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glue or not to glue....

After 6 years here is what I think:
Use both. Wile it's curing (1-2 hrs) tack weld crucial stress area (extremity/corner). Do it from inside if possible (but not a must).

The problem with seam is that they are seam! They take the stress load.

In the rear, ONLY use ""Side Panel Plus Rear Wheel Arch"", using only the wheel arch will result in rust coming out again in 2 years from the old top part, ask me if I know.

I hate to take this van as an example:
http://www.benplace.com/trajan.htm
but we use both system on it and it's holding good.

Welding is a must in some area:

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Between the rear arch and that small lower/corner panel you NEED to weld, in my experience it's a high stress area.
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I hate body work but I'm getting good at it:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turbotransporter wrote:
For what it's worth... OEVEEDUB has been purchased by a company called Mid America Motorworks...

I found out last week when I ordered some parts from OEVEEDUB and they were invoiced and shipped by MAM.

MAM sent the wrong part so I had to ask to return it. They were cool about it; agreed to refund my $$ for the wrong part plus the shipping and sent me a return shipping label.

I purchased a rear "wheelhouse" from Airhead Parts but I had it shipped directly to the body shop that is working on my truck so I haven't seen it yet but they didn't complain. And they would if it was trash!


Thank you very much, I was unaware of this.
I have ordered from OE in the past, not lately.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
vanagonjetta wrote:
OEVEEDUB is where I got mine. It pictures the big panel but the one I received was the smaller section one.


The complete panels from the roof gutter to the lower skirt are only available from VW in Germany.

OEVEEDUBS panels are good quality.



What I meant was, this one was pictured:

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And this one was the one I received:

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I made no statements about the quality of the one received, just that it was not the one I thought I had ordered...and that if someone wants the bigger one, better to make sure that is what they will get instead of going on the picture on the website and end up with the smaller one.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ftp2leta wrote:
Glue or not to glue....

Welding is a must in some area:

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Thanks Ben.. "good to know" stuff there.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all parts orders.....if you have a vendor that truely cares to offer the best quality, they will offer photos of the specific item they are offering, not stock photos.
This becomes difficult with larger items but possible.
Call and ask questions and get the dimensions of the part you are about to order.
Better safe than sorry.
Shipping panels back because they are not what you expected will be costly.

I couldn't agree more with Ben.
Some locations need tack welds.
The basic unibody contruction is meant to flex.
Seam sealers are used to absorb some of this flexation and keep the paint intact.
Overtime they shrink and crack.
The panels only rust because of interior moisture in combination with cracked outer seams.
It is best to understand the breakdown of these seams and products from the inside out.
I feel that whatever deterioration you are seeing on the exterior of your van is more advanced on the interior, especially in the pillars and passageways.
I have numerous bodywork, sprayable barrier and rust provention projects underway and detailed pictorials of what I have found and how I am dealing with it are in the works.
This is a massage undertaking and will take time.
Here is where some of my initial info is being gathered.
This 1990 Carat is being cut apart, photographed and ever inch of the inner passageways are being explored with a video scope.
Stay tuned for more info as this documentation is finished.

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If you are going to the extent of panel replacement, perserving your work will help keep you happy longterm.
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Both freely share the knowledge base they have and both have carved out specific niches for themselves in this great community of ours.
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Classic VW Parts is the source I recommend for the highest quality replacement parts.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
With all parts orders.....if you have a vendor that truely cares to offer the best quality, they will offer photos of the specific item they are offering, not stock photos.
This becomes difficult with larger items but possible.
Call and ask questions and get the dimensions of the part you are about to order.
Better safe than sorry.
Shipping panels back because they are not what you expected will be costly.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:04 pm    Post subject: Windshield popout Reply with quote

Hey ClassicVibe. I also need to pop out my windshield and one side window to do some rust repair in the next little bit. I already have me seal kit. I know that the job goes way easier with more than one person. Do you want to team up and do both vans together?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LesDoItYo! Before or after the Solstice? I have the ENTIRE WEEK next week to buff out the van. Family gone, every day is a van day.

No.
Sleep.
Till Solstice!!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have to clean up our vans before Solstice? Shocked
I am going to have the dirtiest van in the area since I will probably have some Syncrofest mud attached to mine. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Body Restoration - Panels Reply with quote

when these new panels are welded in, as Ben did above, are the seams kind of "recreated" by grinding and sanding so it looks as though the seam is original? Looks like a bead of weld connecting the new panels and spliced patches, not just spot welds (like factory?). I'm hoping to tackle some terrible ruse on a 1986 weekender this winter. Gathering info stage! Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:01 am    Post subject: Re: Body Restoration - Panels Reply with quote

skelly,

look at Ben's photo again. He spliced the panel in the middle of the B pillar not on the dogleg seam.
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