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55bundt
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 Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| I bought my kit from wagenswest. It's the 944 kit 5×130 pattern for 55 to 63 spindles with an adapter bolted to it for 5× 205 pattern for stock 15s. Call Nate he will set you up!! |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| crofty wrote: |
| 62DoKaGuy wrote: |
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| so the CSP is the only kit that works without modification on 15"VW wheels? |
The SACO kit worked on stock 15" slotted bus wheels as well. No modification. For the record, it's a stock 3/4"-ton beam, although it shouldn't have an effect. Just want to make it known what setup I have.
CSP and SACO from my experience have both had great braking power, with the SACO's having the aforementioned brake "queefing" from drilled rotor. There was nothing audible on the CSPs I ran for over ten years. |
Thanks for the reply guys.
I remember the SACO's having noise issues but maybe that has been remedied. |
I bought mine last year, the pads tend to rattle. Not recommended.
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PIMPPRIDE
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| 62DoKaGuy wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| so the CSP is the only kit that works without modification on 15"VW wheels? |
The SACO kit worked on stock 15" slotted bus wheels as well. No modification. For the record, it's a stock 3/4"-ton beam, although it shouldn't have an effect. Just want to make it known what setup I have.
CSP and SACO from my experience have both had great braking power, with the SACO's having the aforementioned brake "queefing" from drilled rotor. There was nothing audible on the CSPs I ran for over ten years. |
Thanks for the reply guys.
I remember the SACO's having noise issues but maybe that has been remedied. |
I bought mine last year, the pads tend to rattle. Not recommended. |
you need these anti-rattle / wear plates from Wilwood ( the SACO caliper is a loose copy of the Wilwood )
https://www.wilwood.com/Hardware/HardwareProd?itemno=300-5875
they will fix the rattle / pad chatter
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Bruce Amacker
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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Bruce, thanks for that overview of your installation of the AC kit.
Bummed I can't use it on my bus with stock 15s. |
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matthew henricks
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Nice write-up Bruce. |
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Z
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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Bruce, thanks for that overview of your installation of the AC kit.
Bummed I can't use it on my bus with stock 15s. |
x2 Looks great. I hope they update it, b/c I'm not changing my wheels and would love to use this kit. |
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pyrOman
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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FWIW.... Don't know exactly just how much of a "problem" it is with the clearance issue since I did not have that with the 14" wheels. However, I personally would not have a problem grinding off both the caliper and the wheel some. Yes, they say if you "tamper" with it, there goes the warranty but after installing one I can say it would not mess up the caliper at all, and the wheels can always be re-balanced. 
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Z
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| That's good to know, thanks. From the initial pics, and the relatively small spacer that seemed to fix the clearance issue, it sure looked like it wouldn't take much clearancing. |
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matthew henricks
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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Anyone know who makes the AC Industries kit? Is that the company? I am finding it hard to find info on them from an original factory source.
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tpinthepack
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| matthew henricks wrote: |
Anyone know who makes the AC Industries kit? Is that the company? I am finding it hard to find info on them from an original factory source.
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AC is the company. I got my set from fisher buggies in Tampa. Tony ordered them, matched internet pricing and had them in 1 day free shipping. I would simply call any local VW vendor close to you and ask them.
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matthew henricks
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Has anyone seen or have first hand info what is really required to clearance the AC Ind. kit for stock 15" rims? |
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tpinthepack
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Has anyone seen or have first hand info what is really required to clearance the AC Ind. kit for stock 15" rims? |
I bolted 15" bus wheels on and it would only turn front and back like 1" or less between the cutouts. I was not willing to grind either Caliper or Wheel so I don't know what is required for success, I only know what I was not willing to do. My bus is supposed to use 14", so I just swapped them. Also the weld on one 14" does scrape ever so slightly and I plan to loosen the caliper bracket and see if I can gain some room, or else I have to grind a touch on one side. I might also try another 14" wheel to see if that solves it.
I would really like to know what caliper it is, looks like a water cooled Eurovan, or Golf caliper. I would bet the OEM VW caliper AC cloned would be leaner and may not hit anything, but I am guessing. The Pads look very similar to something I have seen before, maybe on My Vanagon actually. The AC caliper casting is a little crude and bulky, so that is why I think a VW caliper could be leaner and clear better.
Not scripture, I am just a dude who has a set of these installed.
Tony
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Bruce Amacker
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pyrOman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| ... I plan to loosen the caliper bracket and see if I can gain some room,... |
As I stated before, iffin it was me and knowing how beefy the caliper is, I'd have no problem grinding off just enough of it. 
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Low Bräu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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If you want to use the SoCal Imports AC Industries brake kit with stock 15” non crow’s foot rims it is very easy to do. No grinding necessary or modifying the kit. Stock 15”rims need to be spaced out approximately 5mm to clear the wheel’s vents. So you need two things not included in the kit, spacers and longer wheel studs. SoCal imports sells both. Buy two 1/4” 5x205 spacers and open up the 12mm lug holes to 14mm or 9/16. Also buy 10 14x1.5 lugs that are 1/4 longer. I believe they were 1 3/4” long. It’s a very minor track increase that’s not even noticeably. Please note kit was installed on a 57 Panel with 68 ball joint front beam. My initial impression is the kit is high quality and very good value for the money. I would definitely recommend it if you want to keep 5x205 wheels.
Regards,
Josh
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Can someone with one of the AC Industries kits please measure the rotor diameter and post the measurement here? Thank you. |
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Low Bräu
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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Rotor is 256mm x19mm. Caliper in pics is not a precision tool just a rough measuring device I bought at Northern tool for cheap. It’s my go to tool for ID’ing rotors. I thought the rotors looked tiny but the calipers (or really wheels) are the limiting factor. They used up all the space that was available. Either way the kit works great.
Josh
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Merritt Island, FL 32952
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Specializing in repair and maintenance for Porsche, BMW, Mini, Audi, and Volkswagen.
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1960 SO-23 Westfalia
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Low Bräu wrote: |
| Rotor is 255mm x19mm... |
So how does this compare, diameter wise, to the Babystang rotor? Wagenswest's site doesn't give the rotor diameter. The Babystang kit comes with a four piston caliper, vs what appears to be a single piston caliper on the AC kit.
The CSP kit specifically made to fit stock 15" wheels uses a 262mm rotor and a single piston caliper.
For me, I want the most powerful brakes I can get with the lowest pedal effort. I would think a four piston caliper would be preferable in that regard. On the other hand, if the Babystang kit uses a substantially smaller diameter rotor, its superior caliper might be negated by the smaller rotor.
It would be useful to get some kind of a comparison.
I don't care too much about the cost difference. I want wear parts that I can easily replace down the road without having to go back to the original supplier. Who knows if they will still be around. |
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matthew henricks
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion |
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| Has anyone ever looked into a group buy for any of these kits? I personally need three sets and cannot help but wonder if a larger order could be put together that may help all of us get better braking. Just a thought. |
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