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Jensers Samba Member
Joined: January 20, 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Royal City, Wa
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:47 pm Post subject: Spindle Difference |
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I have a 1966 13 window deluxe and I ordered a disc brake kit for it and found that my spindle is not correct for the kit. In reading thru threads and looking at pictures I found that there are 2 different styles of spindles.
My question - were the spindles I have stock to this bus or has a previous owner swapped them out for an earlier spindle? (See Attached Image)
Also - if I have the incorrect spindles, are they a direct swap if I can find the correct ones?
_________________ - Jens |
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67_SO42 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2006 Posts: 668 Location: Oslo, Norway via Arizona
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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Hello,
You have the earlier version. What year is your bus?
Could you send the kit back for an exchange? Which kit is it?
I believe you will need trailing arms and spindles to make the change to the later spindles. _________________ 58 Binz DC #151 "Nacho"
61 Norwegian, bug "Greta"
65 Swedish, Westfalia 400 trailer "Melania"
57 Binz scooter “Micha” |
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Jensers Samba Member
Joined: January 20, 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Royal City, Wa
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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It is a 1966.
Well - crap...
I can hopefully send them back, but I am waiting to hear if the kit can work with these older spindles with different bearings and races.
It is the AC Industries kit from SoCal.
Apparently I have a frankenbus. _________________ - Jens |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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Look into upgrading the front suspension. Parts for 1964-67 are a lot easier/less $$ to get. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Busted-bolt Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2018 Posts: 514 Location: minnesoota
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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On you're first picture I can see the early snubber on you're beam. I think the whole beam was changed at one point. Im not sure that the late trailing arms will interchange,maybe some one in the know will chime in. _________________ Vw collection 60 combi ,61 panel ,62 deluxe micro,82 diesel Westfalia,88 Vanagon synchro,98 Jetta tdi,11 Jetta tdi mt ,11 Jetta tdi dsg.
I do all my own work,body,engine and transmission. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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Busted-bolt wrote: |
On you're first picture I can see the early snubber on you're beam. I think the whole beam was changed at one point. Im not sure that the late trailing arms will interchange,maybe some one in the know will chime in. |
Not a direct fit. Early has bushings, later has much better needle bearings where the trailing arms go into the beam. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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easy e Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 3930 Location: 1 hr north of Santa Barbara
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Jensers Samba Member
Joined: January 20, 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Royal City, Wa
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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Thank you for all the information and the offer for help!
It appears I have a little more research to do so I fully understand what is going on and what solution makes the most sense long term. _________________ - Jens |
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Bruce Amacker Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2007 Posts: 1786 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Look into upgrading the front suspension. Parts for 1964-67 are a lot easier/less $$ to get. |
I don’t think this is correct. The 64-67 parts are quite a bit more expensive than the earlier stuff. |
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mr. warehouse Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2001 Posts: 5001 Location: Nor Cal 707
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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easy e wrote: |
If you don’t want to spend a lot...
Pretty sur the later trailing arms can be used if you press off the needle bearing race with VW463 tool.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/tools/463_front.jpg
Then you can use poly bushings.
You can pick up the later trailing arms pretty cheap in the classifieds.
Maybe talk to Greg at Vintage Warehouse:
http://www.vintagewarehouse.com/VW.html
He has the bushings & can tell you for sure about the trailing arm swap.
I can loan you the VW tool if you end up going that route. Greg might have the trailing arms too. |
Feel free to give me a call Jensers. I can help you out with arms, spindles, bushings, or probably the easiest route, the correct brake kit for your setup.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Spindle Difference |
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campingbox wrote: |
Eric&Barb wrote: |
Look into upgrading the front suspension. Parts for 1964-67 are a lot easier/less $$ to get. |
I don’t think this is correct. The 64-67 parts are quite a bit more expensive than the earlier stuff. |
Well the link pins are a big difference. Off the shelf new parts.
1964-67 $100.00
1955-63 $175.00
Sure the early trailing arm bushings are going to be less expensive at first, than the later needle bearings, but then one has to get them reamed with the special tool. So that requires shipping in the tool or shipping out the beam for most folks, there goes the savings.
The later needle bearings for the trailing arms only need a simple to make tool to pull out and install the new ones. Plus as long as one keeps to the greasing maintenance schedule the needle bearings should last much longer.
Think 1964 still had the bushings and 1965 the needle bearings were introduced. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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