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therusty
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 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:59 pm Post subject: loss of power |
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Today went for a spin for the first time in my 58 bug , all stock except converted into 12 V
Car start s and runs fine but after 2-3 miles lost power , no pickup at all , we waited to see what happened , we had a small coffee break for 30 mins . Started the bug again then everything was fine again , the more closer we reached to our house again ( the distance 2-3 miles ) started loosing power .
What could be the issue ?
would it be bad clutch............. |
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Kjell Roar
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:03 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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When I had that problem, it was the rubber in the fuel tap that had swelled, and gave too little fuel.
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therusty
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:54 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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| will check that too. |
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FeelthySanchez
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:47 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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| therusty wrote: |
| What could be the issue ? would it be bad clutch............. |
Clutch? Uhmm, not likely.
Start w/ the choke: If she's still wearing the 28 PCI carb, then the manual choke needs to be disengaged - that means by the driver. Every time the car is driven.
Edit - From the gallery pics, several "not very good things" are going on here:
1) The entire rear engine compartment seal is MIA.
2) I do not see a choke cable connected on the 28 PCI. At all. This means that the choke may be closed. Constantly.
3) At the very least, you're fighting a vacuum leak. WTH is going on w/ the loose vacuum advance tube - do you realize that this leaves a corresponding vacuum port open, which needs that hose connected?
See the 28 PCI pic below. Your open vacuum fitting is the hex body @ lower right:
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I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
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therusty
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:06 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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The engine compartment seal is ordered and waiting for it to be delivered
yes it was disconnected by the previous owner ,
any links or topic discussed here how to get the choke cable back in place ,
Yes the vaccum line was disconnected by the previous owner , I disconnected on the other end, cleaned it with pressurized air . But on one end where it gets connected to the carb is not that great .
Am I supposed to order a new line or use the present Vaccum line.
If I need to order a new line where could I get one.......... |
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mukluk
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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| therusty wrote: |
| Yes the vaccum line was disconnected by the previous owner , I disconnected on the other end, cleaned it with pressurized air . But on one end where it gets connected to the carb is not that great. |
Expound a bit on the vacuum line you have currently. How is it "not that great"?
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Sharp64
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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Seems like problems are overlapping to this thread. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=708066
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therusty
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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Yes sharp 64 I agree,
Now I dont have greed for more power but reliability . Hope I am not wrong ....
yes connected the line to the carb ,
Now the choke part is pending .
Any post by someone here on the forum , How to check or how to sort the choke problem . |
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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If you don't have a choke cable to operate it, you need to wire the control arm at the carb to the "full open" position for now.
Plug that carb base fitting with something to prevent a vacuum leak.
Then check timing and see how she runs once warmed up. Without a choke it will run roughly until it warms up. |
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FeelthySanchez
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:06 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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| mukluk wrote: |
| Expound a bit on the vacuum line you have currently. How is it "not that great"? |
| therusty wrote: |
| Yes the vaccum line was disconnected by the previous owner , I disconnected on the other end, cleaned it with pressurized air . But on one end where it gets connected to the carb is not that great. |
Below image was raided from his gallery, however no help w/ the vacuum fitting on carb.
Choke appears to be almost completely open here:
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| modok wrote: |
| I would like if you had enough clue to communicate what you are doing. |
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| Enough clue..Whats that mean? |
| OldIronSpine wrote: |
I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
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therusty
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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The above is a month old picture . The vaccum hose is cleaned and back in place .I just need to sort out the choke issue .
Metal fuel lines , spark plug lines , engine seals ordered . |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:08 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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| therusty wrote: |
Now I dont have greed for more power but reliability . |
This isn't helping...
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FeelthySanchez
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:48 am Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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TS archives has the choke cable info.
Could you show us an image of the vacuum fitting on the carb (right side, front)? We could probably advise from there once we see it.
The steel vacuum line from the distributor already has a length of rubber hose slipped onto it's end - so you may just need to source some more hose of that same size. Any FLAPS should have this.
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..... any links or topic discussed here how to get the choke cable back in place .........
But on one end where it gets connected to the carb is not that great. Am I supposed to order a new line or use the present Vaccum line. If I need to order a new line where could I get one. |
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| modok wrote: |
| I would like if you had enough clue to communicate what you are doing. |
| Ryan Tucker wrote: |
| Enough clue..Whats that mean? |
| OldIronSpine wrote: |
I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
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therusty
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: loss of power |
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KTPhil sorry am a newbie could you please explain why you say somethings wrong there regarding the lucas box . As It was there fitted by the previous owner.
FSancheez I too wasnt confident when I connected the line back to the carb , so order placed for a new line thru WW . |
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