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70Crew Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2006 Posts: 776 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:49 am Post subject: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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I replaced my original starter with a SR17X auto starter. I bought it through Amazon but it came in a Bosch box with a Bosch warranty. It is installed and starts the bus well. However, when it is engaged to the flywheel and under load, it makes a sound that can best be described as the noise a cat makes when you step on it’s tail… a high-pitched screech. Since this is a different model than the one I pulled out, I have nothing to compare it to, but I’d be really surprised if this is how it is supposed to sound.
I drove it by the local reman shop and let them hear it under load. I then pulled the starter and took it back for diagnosis. It did not make the same sound on the bench when not under load. They said the internal bushing looked dry so they soaked the point where the shaft exits the case with oil. I installed it today and am getting the same screeching noise.
My question… is this the noise they all make under load? If not, any suggestions on what I can do to fix it? If nothing obvious, I’ll just send it back, get a refund, and stick with a manual starter. However, it starts so quickly with this upgraded starter that I’d like to keep it if I can. _________________ 1970 Crew Cab |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50351
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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If you ran with a bad starter bushing for long enough you may have damaged the teeth on the ring gear and thus your noise. |
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70Crew Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2006 Posts: 776 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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Wildthings wrote: |
If you ran with a bad starter bushing for long enough you may have damaged the teeth on the ring gear and thus your noise. |
Possible... but my initial guess is not. I caught it pretty quick, and there was only one time where I heard teeth grinding. The other times it just clicked but didn’t turn. Also, wouldn’t it have made the screeching noise with the old starter? That one sounded completely normal. I could see about 10 exposed teeth before I installed the starter and I didn’t see any obvious damage. _________________ 1970 Crew Cab |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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The one I bought from Amazon recently arrived with the wrong motor. It was smaller by about an inch than it should have been. I sent it back. The next one that came was correct. Amazon makes returns pretty easy _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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70Crew Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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aeromech wrote: |
The one I bought from Amazon recently arrived with the wrong motor. It was smaller by about an inch than it should have been. I sent it back. The next one that came was correct. Amazon makes returns pretty easy |
How did you know it was the wrong motor? Was the outside case a different size or did it not perform correctly? _________________ 1970 Crew Cab |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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I have my own for my engine run stand. The recent one was for a customer. There was a notable difference between the two. I believe the bigger motor has more power too. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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70Crew Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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I am assuming the ones you have installed don’t make the screeching sound I described? Just trying to make sure that isn’t normal before I return it. _________________ 1970 Crew Cab |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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I would say that it is not normal |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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Not normal. Send it back and try another one. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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Noise sounds like a cat being stepped on, but starts the truck nicely.
I agree with the above, we just need to swap another new one in. My guess is that a bearing has crud in it and scored something. _________________ Wash your hands
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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They call them "rebuilt" but I'll bet they just clean, inspect, and paint mostly. Obviously they don't bench check them _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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70Crew Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2006 Posts: 776 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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Just to close the loop on this.... I requested a replacement from Amazon and they were on back order until this week. My truck was already in winter storage and I really wasn’t looking forward to swapping the starter in 20 degree weather but I had to return the old one within a week. I don’t know why but I really thought the second one was going to make the same noise. If that had happened, I was going to go back to the original style. Low and behold, the replacement worked! These auto starters crank fast... a nice upgrade. Keep an eye on Amazon, I paid $103 shipped, and it was rebuilt by Bosch. _________________ 1970 Crew Cab |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21519 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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70Crew wrote: |
Just to close the loop on this.... I requested a replacement from Amazon and they were on back order until this week. My truck was already in winter storage and I really wasn’t looking forward to swapping the starter in 20 degree weather but I had to return the old one within a week. I don’t know why but I really thought the second one was going to make the same noise. If that had happened, I was going to go back to the original style. Low and behold, the replacement worked! These auto starters crank fast... a nice upgrade. Keep an eye on Amazon, I paid $103 shipped, and it was rebuilt by Bosch. |
Or at least by an approved "Bosch like" entity
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
Or at least by an approved "Bosch like" entity
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bosch is junk these days. I have had far too many starters and alternators fail within the last year.
according to the bosch rep, they are rebuilt in Michigan with little QC. whenever possible, I have been using Denso. when you have a 6+ hour R&R alternator job you have to warranty...you just get bitter _________________
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
70Crew wrote: |
Just to close the loop on this.... I requested a replacement from Amazon and they were on back order until this week. My truck was already in winter storage and I really wasn’t looking forward to swapping the starter in 20 degree weather but I had to return the old one within a week. I don’t know why but I really thought the second one was going to make the same noise. If that had happened, I was going to go back to the original style. Low and behold, the replacement worked! These auto starters crank fast... a nice upgrade. Keep an eye on Amazon, I paid $103 shipped, and it was rebuilt by Bosch. |
Or at least by an approved "Bosch like" entity
Ray |
Maybe Cardon?!? We all know their magnificent quality control with their crapstastic distributor "rebuilds"... _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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