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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:49 am    Post subject: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

I replaced my original starter with a SR17X auto starter. I bought it through Amazon but it came in a Bosch box with a Bosch warranty. It is installed and starts the bus well. However, when it is engaged to the flywheel and under load, it makes a sound that can best be described as the noise a cat makes when you step on it’s tail… a high-pitched screech. Since this is a different model than the one I pulled out, I have nothing to compare it to, but I’d be really surprised if this is how it is supposed to sound.

I drove it by the local reman shop and let them hear it under load. I then pulled the starter and took it back for diagnosis. It did not make the same sound on the bench when not under load. They said the internal bushing looked dry so they soaked the point where the shaft exits the case with oil. I installed it today and am getting the same screeching noise.

My question… is this the noise they all make under load? If not, any suggestions on what I can do to fix it? If nothing obvious, I’ll just send it back, get a refund, and stick with a manual starter. However, it starts so quickly with this upgraded starter that I’d like to keep it if I can.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

If you ran with a bad starter bushing for long enough you may have damaged the teeth on the ring gear and thus your noise.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

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If you ran with a bad starter bushing for long enough you may have damaged the teeth on the ring gear and thus your noise.


Possible... but my initial guess is not. I caught it pretty quick, and there was only one time where I heard teeth grinding. The other times it just clicked but didn’t turn. Also, wouldn’t it have made the screeching noise with the old starter? That one sounded completely normal. I could see about 10 exposed teeth before I installed the starter and I didn’t see any obvious damage.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

The one I bought from Amazon recently arrived with the wrong motor. It was smaller by about an inch than it should have been. I sent it back. The next one that came was correct. Amazon makes returns pretty easy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

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The one I bought from Amazon recently arrived with the wrong motor. It was smaller by about an inch than it should have been. I sent it back. The next one that came was correct. Amazon makes returns pretty easy


How did you know it was the wrong motor? Was the outside case a different size or did it not perform correctly?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

I have my own for my engine run stand. The recent one was for a customer. There was a notable difference between the two. I believe the bigger motor has more power too.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

I am assuming the ones you have installed don’t make the screeching sound I described? Just trying to make sure that isn’t normal before I return it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

I would say that it is not normal
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

Not normal. Send it back and try another one.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

Noise sounds like a cat being stepped on, but starts the truck nicely.
I agree with the above, we just need to swap another new one in. My guess is that a bearing has crud in it and scored something.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

They call them "rebuilt" but I'll bet they just clean, inspect, and paint mostly. Obviously they don't bench check them
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

Just to close the loop on this.... I requested a replacement from Amazon and they were on back order until this week. My truck was already in winter storage and I really wasn’t looking forward to swapping the starter in 20 degree weather but I had to return the old one within a week. I don’t know why but I really thought the second one was going to make the same noise. If that had happened, I was going to go back to the original style. Low and behold, the replacement worked! These auto starters crank fast... a nice upgrade. Keep an eye on Amazon, I paid $103 shipped, and it was rebuilt by Bosch.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

70Crew wrote:
Just to close the loop on this.... I requested a replacement from Amazon and they were on back order until this week. My truck was already in winter storage and I really wasn’t looking forward to swapping the starter in 20 degree weather but I had to return the old one within a week. I don’t know why but I really thought the second one was going to make the same noise. If that had happened, I was going to go back to the original style. Low and behold, the replacement worked! These auto starters crank fast... a nice upgrade. Keep an eye on Amazon, I paid $103 shipped, and it was rebuilt by Bosch.


Or at least by an approved "Bosch like" entity Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

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Or at least by an approved "Bosch like" entity Laughing
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bosch is junk these days. I have had far too many starters and alternators fail within the last year.

according to the bosch rep, they are rebuilt in Michigan with little QC. whenever possible, I have been using Denso. when you have a 6+ hour R&R alternator job you have to warranty...you just get bitter
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch SR17X noise diagnosis Reply with quote

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70Crew wrote:
Just to close the loop on this.... I requested a replacement from Amazon and they were on back order until this week. My truck was already in winter storage and I really wasn’t looking forward to swapping the starter in 20 degree weather but I had to return the old one within a week. I don’t know why but I really thought the second one was going to make the same noise. If that had happened, I was going to go back to the original style. Low and behold, the replacement worked! These auto starters crank fast... a nice upgrade. Keep an eye on Amazon, I paid $103 shipped, and it was rebuilt by Bosch.


Or at least by an approved "Bosch like" entity Laughing
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Maybe Cardon?!? We all know their magnificent quality control with their crapstastic distributor "rebuilds"...
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