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Jason37
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 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:59 am Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| Mos6502 wrote: |
| The hood might have been blue, but I doubt the whole car was. Somebody might have sat on it, or dropped something on it, or some other such tragedy dinged it and they swapped it out for another one. It is a little odd how not all of the body panels seems to have matching paint though. Maybe an original was hail damaged? Might explain why the roof and hood don't matched the doors/fenders. |
The fenders are a really really poor recent colour match and respray. They tried to blend into the door. My plan is to have the fenders resprayed and faux patina them to match the rest of the car. The doors will get a wet sanding to remove the blend. If the hood is a repaint, it must have been done very early on in this cars life as the patina on it matches the rest of car.
Aprox-2007 still wearing its original paint
Now 🤦♂️
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Bobnotch
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| Are you going to put in the type 3 engine? |
It has a correct engine in it, the 69 is getting the type iv |
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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So it’s missing the breast plate, belt cover, resonator and tail pipe. Going to pull and detail it (including losing the fuel filter) and make this one stock. I am even considering raising it and putting stock rims and tire on it. |
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rustyfastback
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| That hood may have been a factory repaint especially if the hood is painted birch green on the underside. I was told occasionally the paint work didn't fit the standards at the VW production line. Panels went back to the paint shop to get re-primed & re-painted. |
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| rustyfastback wrote: |
| That hood may have been a factory repaint especially if the hood is painted birch green on the underside. I was told occasionally the paint work didn't fit the standards at the VW production line. Panels went back to the paint shop to get re-primed & re-painted. |
It might at have been, as it is solid green. Thanks for the info. |
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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Digging through my parts stash to liberate some parts from the 69 build
WCM rubber is from the turn of the century (damn I feel old saying that) so hopefully it might last.
Some parts are NOS, some I’ve just had for twenty plus years.
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notchboy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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The blister pac gaskets should be fine. Ill bet those wiper rubbers disintegrate after two or three swipes. 
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Jason37
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| The blister pac gaskets should be fine. Ill bet those wiper rubbers disintegrate after two or three swipes. |
Does anyone actually drive their car in the rain? 🤔🤔 |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| Jason37 wrote: |
| notchboy wrote: |
| The blister pac gaskets should be fine. Ill bet those wiper rubbers disintegrate after two or three swipes. |
Does anyone actually drive their car in the rain? 🤔🤔 |
Nope. No one does.
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Jason37
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| Perfect. Absolutely perfect. I have a host of vintage bikes that get ridden in all kinds of weather and terrain, so the notch won’t be much different. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| notchboy wrote: |
| The blister pac gaskets should be fine. Ill bet those wiper rubbers disintegrate after two or three swipes. |
I agree with this. If the WCM stuff is super old there is a possibility they are REAL VW parts. They used to source real VW stuff from S. America and re-package it.
Be careful with the wiper blades too, if you are going to use them.
They might fall apart and your windshield can get scratched
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| notchboy wrote: |
| The blister pac gaskets should be fine. Ill bet those wiper rubbers disintegrate after two or three swipes. |
I agree with this. If the WCM stuff is super old there is a possibility they are REAL VW parts. They used to source real VW stuff from S. America and re-package it.
Be careful with the wiper blades too, if you are going to use them.
They might fall apart and your windshield can get scratched |
And YES, some of us do drive in the rain. Not because we want to, but rather got caught in a passing shower. 
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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So one of these doesn’t fit and is the equivalent of throwing a hotdog down a hallway... not entirely sure what one of the previous owners was thinking. The correct one is on the right in the pic and I believe it to be an early trailing arm. If someone knows for sure, please chime in.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| Jason37 wrote: |
So one of these doesn’t fit and is the equivalent of throwing a hotdog down a hallway... not entirely sure what one of the previous owners was thinking. The correct one is on the right in the pic and I believe it to be an early trailing arm. If someone knows for sure, please chime in.
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Looks like a pair of uppers (L&R) going off the ball joint connection (pockets). Keep in mind the right upper (L in pic) might be shorter due to it being the "adjustable" one. This might also be an early versus late thing too, as I never really paid attention when I had 1 apart years ago. But then most of my stuff is "late" (post 65).
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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Bob,
Yup upper control arms. The shorter one has a smaller diameter on the end, so it doesn’t fit snugly in the inner bush. When I first started taking the drum off, it felt like the wheel bearings were gone, there was that much movement. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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Bob,
Yup upper control arms. The shorter one has a smaller diameter on the end, so it doesn’t fit snugly in the inner bush. When I first started taking the drum off, it felt like the wheel bearings were gone, there was that much movement. |
I wonder if it's for an even earlier car. Does the other on fit that bearing/bushing? I'm wondering if your car had a beam replacement in it's life?
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| I have another set of control arms, but they are of the smaller size. Since this is my first early car, I would guess the larger diameter are early. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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| Jason37 wrote: |
| I have another set of control arms, but they are of the smaller size. Since this is my first early car, I would guess the larger diameter are early. |
Ok, that makes sense then. Like I said, I've really only had later cars. My 64 T-34 being my earliest, but it was still all complete and low mileage.
Good luck finding a good early upper right arm. This might be where an early parts book might come in handy to know where the cut off date/chassis number is to help you find one. My kind of luck (if I were looking for 1) would be someone on the west coast only selling the complete beam. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Jason37
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: 63 Birchgreen notch |
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Hi Bob,
It appears it is a later beam, which makes sense as discs would have had more stopping force, hence the larger diameter control arm to handle the increased force.
Here is an add I found searching for part number 311405106A (lhs upper control arm from chassis 315 000 000 on)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2108149 |
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