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Volkie1 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2018 Posts: 39
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:08 pm Post subject: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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What is the best build recipe for a stop light stunner to leave the local Subaru drivers in the dust. Don't say Subaru it has to be air cooled |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9754 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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Honestly. Subaru's are pretty fast. I have a 09 Pontiac G8. That car pushes 360HP stock.
I ran across a Subi in Upstate NY a few years ago and was surprised at how damn fast that souped up Subi ran. He didn't beat me. But I didn't beat him either.
If you're looking to beat a Subi light to light. You better count on spending lot of British Pounds Sterling to get the job done. HP ain't cheap.
Contact Alstrup. That genius knows how to get the most out of aircooled engines in Europe.
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jeffrey8164 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 3815 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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My suggestion is a really cool paint job. _________________ Volkswagen!
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6023 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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Volkie, the only reason I don't like Subie conversions is you have to mutilate your bug.
That said they are extremely fast, the problem is you may kill yourself driving it.
I have a 2.0 916 in my bug and if it was in the 914 it came out of it could do 127 mph. My bug is much lighter and I did a lot of work on it to keep it on the road. But-- after 90 the steeriing gets light and you can easily lose control.
I am be pushing 120 hp, and my zone is between 0 and 85mph.
Sure will be fun but a lot of work and can be dangerous.
I like being able to cruise all day at 75mph and if needed more but the bug was not made for that power for the street. _________________ email: [email protected]
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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A chipped Subaru STI makes about 300 whp.
A 2000 lb bug would need 182 whp to keep up.
There aren't many if any NA T1 strokers that will put out that much power.
If you turbo it you can make enough power. _________________
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26777 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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What kind of subarus do the "local subaru drivers'...drive? |
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theKbStockpiler Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Rust Belt
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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What is the best build recipe for a stop light stunner to leave the local Subaru drivers in the dust. |
A turbo with alcohol injection. _________________ My beetle is not competing with your beetle. I have the yellow beetle in my town. There is a red one, a green one ......
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76897 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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modok wrote: |
What kind of subarus do the "local subaru drivers'...drive? |
Ed Zackerly....
I have a 2018 Impreza with 140hp and it's pretty quick. Just no where as quick as my Beetle with a 2180. But it's certainly slower than 2018 STi.
When Dodge reintroduced the Hemi, I was outrunning them. Haven't do it in years and I suspect the current Hemi's are much quicker.
It's very hard to beat, at a stop light, an all wheel driver car with 340hp. _________________ Glenn
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26777 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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The only fair to fight turbo.......is with turbo |
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gprudenciop Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 606 Location: portland or
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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modok wrote: |
What kind of subarus do the "local subaru drivers'...drive? |
1960 kind. _________________ Never look down at anybody unless you are helping them up..
Loaning someone your strength instead of reminding them of their weakness = kindness.. |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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modok wrote: |
The only fair to fight turbo.......is with turbo |
Bringing an n/a engine is going to be the proverbial knife to a gun fight |
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HotStreetVw Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2004 Posts: 871 Location: Wild West
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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An honest 180hp with close ratio trans will push a 1750lb car into the mid 12s. That’s going to hang real well.
Regardless, you would be surprised how many T1 strokers put out more than 182whp.
clonebug wrote: |
A chipped Subaru STI makes about 300 whp.
A 2000 lb bug would need 182 whp to keep up.
There aren't many if any NA T1 strokers that will put out that much power.
If you turbo it you can make enough power. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76897 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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HotStreetVw wrote: |
An honest 180hp with close ratio trans will push a 1750lb car into the mid 12s. That’s going to hang real well. |
If you're talking from a dead stop, a ZF LSD will help.
I have one and my 60' got much lower after it was added. _________________ Glenn
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Howard 111 Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2005 Posts: 1827 Location: Virginia
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HotStreetVw Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2004 Posts: 871 Location: Wild West
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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ZF will help, but I bet you could still manage 1.8 60’ times on radials. That’s easily in the ball park. _________________ 4inBhore
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26777 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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2.25 second will help you pull ahead.......because your going to let off at 10 over the speed limit anyway....right? |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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You have started like 5 or 6 threads on engine selection NA and turbo. Some built for MPG, some long haul, and some hauling ass. You need to think about what you really want and how deep into your pocket you want to dig to find it. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76897 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
You have started like 5 or 6 threads on engine selection |
Moderators Note: That's a bit excessive, how about just one and ask your questions there.
BTW... here's the big question... what's your budget?
And remember, you need more than an engine. You need a tranny that will hold up, suspension that will put it to the pavement and brakes when you're done. _________________ Glenn
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15302 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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clonebug wrote: |
A 2000 lb bug would need 182 whp to keep up.
There aren't many if any NA T1 strokers that will put out that much power. |
It's not anywhere near as hard as you think to build a 220 HP N/A engine using all off the shelf store bough parts. You can very easily gut a street legal Bug down to 1500 Lbs. Add a close ratio gearbox and your whipping their ass. What it really takes is money and that is what a lot of people don't have. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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HotStreetVw Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2004 Posts: 871 Location: Wild West
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Recipe for a stop light stunner |
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14 threads since sept 17th, 2018
Well at least they are fun topics! Could be worse. What cam should I run? What should my jetting be? _________________ 4inBhore
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