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alman72 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:07 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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both notch and OP have the late 72/all 73/early 74 unobtainium turn signal switch. Turn with gentle flicks, guys. |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:09 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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alman72 wrote: |
both notch and OP have the late 72/all 73/early 74 unobtainium turn signal switch. Turn with gentle flicks, guys. |
Yes I do and thank the Lord for nos pars out of Poland Funny thing is the switch I got is for the headlight washers integrated in them Double rare.
Ill have a look at the vin. _________________
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OrangeZA Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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Oh if only we had an M-plate!
I don’t know much about T2s in the former Yugoslavia veskovici, maybe you can educate us somewhat?
I know Yugoslavia during the cold war, although a communist state, was part of the Non-Aligned Movement rather than the Warsaw Pact. Nor was it a full member of Comecon; was it therefore quite easy to buy an imported German built VW back in the ‘70s? VW had an assembly plant in Sarajevo (Tvornica Automobila Sarajevo), that started building Beetles in 1972, did they assemble some T2s there too?
According to Vincent Molenaar and Alexander Prinz’s book that I mentioned earlier, Yugoslavia had 3 Export destination codes assigned to it that could be stamped on an M-plate:
JU = Yugoslavia SKD - I’m guessing SKD means Semi Knocked Down, but I’ve never heard of a SKD T2 before, does such a thing exist?
YO = Yugoslavia, Sarajevo
YZ = Yugoslavia, Zagreb (Kons) <- anyone know what (Kons) means?
Semi Knocked Down means the T2 arrives at an overseas factory as a kit that requires a minimum amount of assembly to create a vehicle that could be sold in a VW showroom. I was wondering if your mysterious T2 was some sort of odd locally manufactured bus, a lot of CKD (Completely Knocked Down - requiring a much greater degree of assembly than SKD) buses are missing their M-plates although I’m fairly sure that every CKD kit was shipped with one. I am not convinced your bus is a 1974 SKD kit though. A 1974 CKD or SKD kit would have a 1974 chassis number, but all the body panels would be 1974 style, as the kit was manufactured on the production line in Hannover along side the other German manufactured T2s, the CKD kit just missed out on the paint and final assembly. Maybe there was some almighty disaster at the local factory or someone at the assembly plant wanted to loose a stock of old 1973 parts? Overseas assembly plants tended not to produce the fancy models like yours though, nor were they available with all the fancy options!
As far as I know, T2s weren’t assembled in the former Yugoslavia. Very willing to be proven wrong though!
Video I found on YouTube about VW production in Sarajevo (started out with NSU production)
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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veskovici wrote: |
I know what you are saying but all this questions I asked my self.
Facts about this kombi are: vin is original to the body. place where it is stamped (upright engine tin) is not added or amended or altered in any way, there was no signs of hacking anywhere near engine bay area. I thoroughly examined if vin number is changed or any way altered or not original to the body and I am 100% sure it is original to the body.
Entire kombi was silverfish and resprayed with come kind of dark blue .I am talking inner sides of side panels , engine area, under the dash, behind fuel tank, inner roof, chassis . There was no original tube for clutch cable so I had to make one, ashtray shows automatic transmission shifting.
I didnt ordered birth certificate yet but very soon .
All upholstery originally was black vinyl.
You all can see pictures as found at beginning of this topic. Old guy was using it for driving bee hives around a country. I asked and searched for Mplate but no successes
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VW also had an annoying habit of "using up" old style parts on "home market" cars, so I am not really surprised by any of this, actually. We see it in the Type 3 world as well.
This is a really unique Bus with the color and everything else. Please post up some more pics of the finished product! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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alman72 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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so behind the seat there are two floppy rivits? or 2 holes where the plate used to be? is there a rectangle shape where it used to be that is a different color? primer under? |
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OrangeZA Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:56 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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Tram wrote: |
VW also had an annoying habit of "using up" old style parts on "home market" cars, so I am not really surprised by any of this, actually. We see it in the Type 3 world as well. |
Hi Tram, could you show us an example of such a VW? Were these VWs built using NOS parts only sold in West Germany?
I’ve been thinking about the logistics of how such vehicles could come to be built. Let’s think about the veskovici’s ’74 bus with it’s plethora of early parts.
Consider the ’72-’73 style rear wing with it’s unique fuel filler. I think the change in ’74 was made purely for financial reasons, VW were haemorrhaging money at this time so the production engineers were probably asked to look at all the models to see where build costs could be reduced. The ’74+ fuel filler modification, reduced the number of parts that needed to be made and assembled together, speeding up construction times, made it easier to stack and transport panels together and would even save an amount of paint used plus the time applying it. There would have been a cost in retooling for the new components, but think of the money saved over the next 40 years that design was in production.
Now lets think about the implications of fitting the ’72-’73 style rear wing into veskovici’s T2, the VIN on his bus suggests it was built almost halfway through the 1974 model year, so lets say February 1974. If this wing was indeed factory fitted, someone in charge of parts inventory must have decided that they had too many ’72-’73 style wings left in stock and decided it made economic sense to ditch some of them and that the most cost effective way to do this was to send them to the Hannover factory to be integrated into some new 1974 T2s, which would later be sold on the West German market. I guess the other option would be to send them to the crusher.
Ok, so the factory has now decided to build a T2 with the old style rear wing. Does it build just one or a batch of them? For arguments sake lets say one T2 is selected to be fitted with the old wing, that T2 has to be identified throughout the build because it is not a standard build 1974 T2, it requires additional attention. That way the welders know which vehicle to assemble the odd wing into; then the painter knows that, unlike the other T2s they’ve been painting for the last 6 months, they have a little bit more painting to do on this particular bus; the assembly line worker that installs the fuel tank knows they have to fit a different filler neck and associated parts to hook everything together (those bits have to be found and collated to the assembly line at the right time); and the worker that puts all the labels on will know that there is an additional label to be fitted behind the filler flap. These things could be done, it would be like a run of special models or like fitting some other accessory. What it would need though is an M or S code on the M-plate, ie “build with NOS parts” or something.
That’s my theory anyway, veskovici’s T2 doesn’t have an M-plate, do any of these West German market VWs built with NOS parts have strange codes on their M-plates?
Tram wrote: |
This is a really unique Bus with the color and everything else. Please post up some more pics of the finished product! |
Couldn't agree more! |
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veskovici Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:26 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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Yes there are rivets holes behind pass seat.
I painted this bus Savannah beige and wheels, bumpers and roof, cloud white. I couldn't sort out in my head silverfish color combo as it demands all following differences as satin blue upholstery , chromed bumpers, dimmed glass . I have all parts for sliding roof but i finished kombi with small pop top.
I will post more pictures as interior progresses
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OrangeZA Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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veskovici wrote: |
I couldn't sort out in my head silverfish color combo as it demands all following differences as satin blue upholstery , chromed bumpers, dimmed glass . |
Hey veskovici,
Your T2 is too early to be a “Silberfisch” special edition as they were only produced from June 1978. If anything, in my mind that makes your bus even more interesting! It really is a shame this particular bus is missing its M-plate! The silver is not a standard colour so the original owner must have made a special request to get it painted that way, was it L70M Silbergrau? I think you wrote earlier that the interior was black leatherette? I would imagine that is how it was when it left the factory.
Nobody could persuade you to weld the belly pans back in?
It’s great to see the exterior looking like a new bus again I hope you get to have a lot of fun with it now. |
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veskovici Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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veskovici wrote: |
Nobody could persuade you to weld the belly pans back in? |
No. To much corn ,wheat grains in rats nests and rust was there.
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OrangeZA Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:01 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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OrangeZA wrote: |
Oh if only we had an M-plate!
I don’t know much about T2s in the former Yugoslavia veskovici, maybe you can educate us somewhat?
I know Yugoslavia during the cold war, although a communist state, was part of the Non-Aligned Movement rather than the Warsaw Pact. Nor was it a full member of Comecon; was it therefore quite easy to buy an imported German built VW back in the ‘70s? VW had an assembly plant in Sarajevo (Tvornica Automobila Sarajevo), that started building Beetles in 1972, did they assemble some T2s there too?
According to Vincent Molenaar and Alexander Prinz’s book that I mentioned earlier, Yugoslavia had 3 Export destination codes assigned to it that could be stamped on an M-plate:
JU = Yugoslavia SKD - I’m guessing SKD means Semi Knocked Down, but I’ve never heard of a SKD T2 before, does such a thing exist?
YO = Yugoslavia, Sarajevo
YZ = Yugoslavia, Zagreb (Kons) <- anyone know what (Kons) means?
Semi Knocked Down means the T2 arrives at an overseas factory as a kit that requires a minimum amount of assembly to create a vehicle that could be sold in a VW showroom. I was wondering if your mysterious T2 was some sort of odd locally manufactured bus, a lot of CKD (Completely Knocked Down - requiring a much greater degree of assembly than SKD) buses are missing their M-plates although I’m fairly sure that every CKD kit was shipped with one. I am not convinced your bus is a 1974 SKD kit though. A 1974 CKD or SKD kit would have a 1974 chassis number, but all the body panels would be 1974 style, as the kit was manufactured on the production line in Hannover along side the other German manufactured T2s, the CKD kit just missed out on the paint and final assembly. Maybe there was some almighty disaster at the local factory or someone at the assembly plant wanted to loose a stock of old 1973 parts? Overseas assembly plants tended not to produce the fancy models like yours though, nor were they available with all the fancy options!
As far as I know, T2s weren’t assembled in the former Yugoslavia. Very willing to be proven wrong though!
Video I found on YouTube about VW production in Sarajevo (started out with NSU production)
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Further to this, I discovered in the Molenaar/Prinz book that option M200 is "Various parts not mounted; these parts sent via the CKD department" and this option could be applied to Model Types 221, 231, 261 and 265, but only to models destined for Yugoslavia. It does appear that some sort of T2 SKD operation was going on there. |
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veskovici Samba Member
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veskovici Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:45 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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My kombi had a premiere in one of most popular on line portals for vintage cars
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blink Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:16 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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Just read through your whole thread. Such an awesome bus. Hope your getting it out there and driving it!!! |
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veskovici Samba Member
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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Diggity Dank!! Awesome ride. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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That turned out very nice! Glad to see you out and enjoying it. Did you put the gas heater back in? _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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veskovici Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: (Bay pop top) Double door sunroof ! |
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notchboy wrote: |
That turned out very nice! Glad to see you out and enjoying it. Did you put the gas heater back in? |
Yes and working perfectly
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