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kombi kid
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 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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thanks to vintage warehouse here is my set up... hit up Greg, he does awesome work!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hRgFrrB9yQ&t=33s
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mr. warehouse
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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Glad that worked out well for you.
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ghrt73
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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I have a 58SC that I have installed a 68 type 3 trans.
I used the type 3 spring plates as a template and cut my originals (2 of the holes lined up already from the reduction boxes)
So now my problem is evident; I mocked up the install and at almost 20 degrees of camber on the axle tubes the spring plate travel is about half way.
I will notch them but can anyone please tell me how many notches to move the spring plates to achieve level (no camber)
I have never moved spring plates FYI
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| ghrt73 wrote: |
please tell me how many notches to move the spring plates to achieve level (no camber)
I have never moved spring plates FYI |
No one can tell you exactly how many "notches" to change your ride height exactly. You need to do the work to make it happen, or buy adjustable spring plates.
The "notches" are actually a combo of inner and outer splines on the torsion bar/spring plate/inner torsion tube interface. Each time you go one inner spline in one direction, and one outer spline the other direction, you change the ride height about 3/16". If you need to drop about an inch, do a combo of five splines and you will be there.
There are several threads on here explaining the process of adjusting the spring plates to raise or lower the rear of your bus (or bug, as the process is identical). If I could find the one I am thinking of, I would link it here. Hopefully someone else finds it sooner than I can.
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ghrt73
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:33 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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Thanks for the help I am going to try a few degrees of rotation and try to get the axles close to level - 2 inches of so and see how that splines out.
With removing the GRBs I should need around 3 inches although I wish I could keep stock ride height but I don't see that possible without terrible camber so I am looking for some dropped spindles for the front also.
Thanks Again!
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mr. warehouse
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| ghrt73 wrote: |
Thanks for the help I am going to try a few degrees of rotation and try to get the axles close to level - 2 inches of so and see how that splines out.
With removing the GRBs I should need around 3 inches although I wish I could keep stock ride height but I don't see that possible without terrible camber so I am looking for some dropped spindles for the front also.
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If you're going to do dropped spindles (I have sets built ready to go) you'll need more drop in the rear as well. Better to do the spindles then get the rear leveled out afterward. |
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NAES
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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Just switched out the rear shocks from oil dampened to KYB Gas-a-just.
Should have done this a long time ago. Ass end stays planted. No change in ride height.
Longer test drive to OCTO tomorrow morning!
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Enkiel
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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Ok i'm lost.
i have straight axle rear end with Type 3 drums, and i'm trying to find rims that would fit without a 1 inch spacers.
I really wanted smoothies, but the "stock" type are 5 1/2 " with +15 offset and 98 backspacing, which would make them touch the springplate (i think).
When i looked at my stock wheels with spacer, i had about 3" of backspacing, without too much room left.
Do i really have to go with Smitty's Smoothies to get a chance at them? or am i calculating wrong?
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:08 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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You are wanting to use 15" smooth beetle wheels?
Your stock wheels are 14" bus for your 64?
4 lug or 5 lug drums?
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Enkiel
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
You are wanting to use 15" smooth beetle wheels?
Your stock wheels are 14" bus for your 64?
4 lug or 5 lug drums? |
15" on my bus currently.
i'm not sure if you'd consider them beetle wheel, since from the description, they are 5 1/2" width ;
http://store.concept1.ca/Steel-Wheel-15x5.5-5-205-Silver-SMOOTHIE-AA601142SP/
5x205 drums. its the type 3 62-65 i believe.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:29 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| Enkiel wrote: |
| cdennisg wrote: |
You are wanting to use 15" smooth beetle wheels?
Your stock wheels are 14" bus for your 64?
4 lug or 5 lug drums? |
15" on my bus currently.
i'm not sure if you'd consider them beetle wheel, since from the description, they are 5 1/2" width ;
http://store.concept1.ca/Steel-Wheel-15x5.5-5-205-Silver-SMOOTHIE-AA601142SP/
5x205 drums. its the type 3 62-65 i believe. |
The link would not work for me, but I am betting you need to measure really accurately, then find/make spacers to fit.
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Caged Hippy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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Anyone have any stock RGB spring plates (211 511 205A) they want to get rid of? Message me if you do...
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mr. warehouse
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:38 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| Caged Hippy wrote: |
| Anyone have any stock RGB spring plates (211 511 205A) they want to get rid of? Message me if you do... |
Boxes of them.
PM sent |
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Caged Hippy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:23 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| mr. warehouse wrote: |
| Caged Hippy wrote: |
| Anyone have any stock RGB spring plates (211 511 205A) they want to get rid of? Message me if you do... |
Boxes of them.
PM sent |
PM'd back, THX!
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Enkiel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| Enkiel wrote: |
| cdennisg wrote: |
You are wanting to use 15" smooth beetle wheels?
Your stock wheels are 14" bus for your 64?
4 lug or 5 lug drums? |
15" on my bus currently.
i'm not sure if you'd consider them beetle wheel, since from the description, they are 5 1/2" width ;
http://store.concept1.ca/Steel-Wheel-15x5.5-5-205-Silver-SMOOTHIE-AA601142SP/
5x205 drums. its the type 3 62-65 i believe. |
The link would not work for me, but I am betting you need to measure really accurately, then find/make spacers to fit. |
So going more into mathematics....
Rims are 5.5" (139mm)
room between suspension component and face of drum is 6" (152mm)
backspacing is 98mm
Tire aimed for are 195/65/15.
Theorically, tire is 28mm larger on each side.
So i'd take my backspacing of 98mm, add 28mm, and i'm at 126mm.
Theorically, i'd still have 26mm of room. Are my math correct?
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mandraks
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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this may not help you, but those wheels fit on a big nut bus with RGBs all day long with a 195/65/15
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easy e
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: How to lower a Bus and all lowering questions |
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| Enkiel wrote: |
| Theorically, i'd still have 26mm of room. Are my math correct? |
distance between suspension and drum face - (backspace + tire overhang) = remaining space
152 - ( 98 + 28 ) = 26
Your math is correct.
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TheVintageVw
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| I think when you use a stock e brake cable (64-67), on a straight axle conversion you need both the adaptors which it looks like you have, and you need to carefully trim about 2" of the spring as well. |
Stupid question but you trim on the side that sits onto the adaptor pipe right? |
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chris henry
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| I think when you use a stock e brake cable (64-67), on a straight axle conversion you need both the adaptors which it looks like you have, and you need to carefully trim about 2" of the spring as well. |
Stupid question but you trim on the side that sits onto the adaptor pipe right? |
it doesn't slide into it. it rests on a stop. the reason you have to trim the e brake cable spring is because the distance is different in type 1or3 rear brakes. the distance is much longer on the type 2 rear drum brakes and the spring would bind up if you don't shorten it |
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