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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

65 Sunroof wrote:
Here is an oil designed for Air Cooled Engines..

http://www.drivenracingoil.com/dro/dt50-synthetic-15w-342html/

When it says "vintage engines" can we assume it means 40 - 50 year old worn out engines? I had a Chevy pickup that fit that. It had 416K of hard miles on it and would no longer hold oil pressure with 15W40. The next step would have been a 50wt oil to get a couple more years out of it but I gave it to the neighbor boy instead to check cows and fences with and to shoot gophers out of.

The rest of my fleet are not "vintage" enough to require anything heavier than a 30 wt. In fact my newly rebuilt type 4 engine was looking a litte high on both oil pressure and oil temps this last summer so I am thinking it really could benifit from a drop to 20 wt.

Before we all get too cranked up though, I am yanking a few chains here just for the reaction! Twisted Evil In all truth I wonder if the weight of oil you run is more related to where you live. We rarely see temps above 100*F here!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

Vintage in this case would refer to the valve train and to the the oil temperature regulating system as much as anything. If you miraculously found a few cases of ancient "For Service MS" rated oil in perfect condition and ran it in a modern engine the engine would die a quick death. A vintage VW would not fair all that well either as the stuff was engine killing compared to newer oils.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

Explain to me please the term "flat tappet", I am familiar with engines that run a the cam in the block and engines that run the cam in the head directly above the valves. What makes an engine have flat tappets?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

If the cam is in the block and the drive train uses tappets, pushrods, and rockers then it needs pretty heavy valve springs to get this mess accelerating so that the valves don't float. The heavy valve springs mean there is more wear to the cam. The face on the tappets or lifters for this system tend to have a flatish shape.

A roller lifter even with a block mounted cam and pushrods would of course not be a flat tappet/lifter, and one would hope for very little cam wear even with the heavy valve springs.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

So then is the Chevy small block a flat tappet engine too?

How about the water cooled VWs? you don't get any flatter than the adjustment shims that the cam runs on in those!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

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So then is the Chevy small block a flat tappet engine too?

How about the water cooled VWs? you don't get any flatter than the adjustment shims that the cam runs on in those!
Most every engine that was in use in 1970 was flat tappet.


The problem is the pressure against the cam because of the long heavy valve train that requires the use of stronger valve springs. When going to an overhead cam the weight of the valve train is significantly reduced and when going to a roller lifter/rocker the wear become minimal.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

So, not real cut and dried then. I haven't been into a small block Chevy in a number of years. Has the valve train changed in them significantly? The last couple I had definitely had cam wear issues!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

I've seen redline oils mentioned here and there in this thread but notice hardly anyone uses it.
I know its considered one of the best oils and supposed to be high in zddp and available in a wide variety of body.
Is it not recommended for the aircooled engine?
Too much zddp??
Price too high??
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

balljoint wrote:
I've seen redline oils mentioned here and there in this thread but notice hardly anyone uses it.
I know its considered one of the best oils and supposed to be high in zddp and available in a wide variety of body.
Is it not recommended for the aircooled engine?
Too much zddp??
Price too high??

You actually read all 219 pages of this oil recommendation train wreck?

See the very first post. For a synopsis of what's recommended engine oil.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

Redline is too expensive compared to the rest. The competition is so great in the billion dollar gas/oil business that none of them are any better than the rest. There is millions spent on research and development that all of them are pretty equal. The best priced high ZDDP oil available is probably Valvoline ZR-1 racing oil. NAPA can get it if they don't stock it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

So redline is ok then....not sure on the zddp content but I think I read 1200 somewhere.
I'll throw in some 10W40 then as I use that in all my other vehicles.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: What oil smells the best when it burns? Testing done. Reply with quote

(I started a thread for this but I guess it got deleted for not being here)

I wanted to see if there's an oil that smells better when it inevitably leaks and smokes.

I wondered if a bio based oil would stink less, so I ordered some G Oil Bio-based Advanced Synthetic.

Today I did a smoke test of three different oils in a stainless steel pot on a camp stove. I used a laser thermometer to heat each to about 400 degrees, noting the smoking and smells produced along the way.

Here are my semi-scientific results:

Conventional Wal-Mart 15-40: Smokes like you'd expect. Smells like oil and some burnt rubber notes. Also has a sharp, caustic, almost liquor sort of smell that burns the nostrils.

Mobil 1 15-50: Smokes the most! Has a nasty skunky noxious smell to it. Stinkiest of the three at smoke temperature. I thought this would stink less than conventional oil but not so.

G Oil Bio-based Advanced 10-30: Smokes less than the others, especially at the lower end of the smoking range, around 320. Doesn't smell great but not nearly as noxious as Mobil 1. Definitely has that hot tire smell, maybe a bit of the rubbery chemical smell that flip flop rubber has, and also notes of something sharp and organic like celery seed.

Conclusion: The bio based synthetic oil would, in an engine with leaky burny tendencies, probably smoke less and produce less noxious fumes that the other oils tested. However, it's no bouquet of roses.

I've heard that Klotz Benol Castor Oil smells nice, and my dad told me that VW used to recommend pure castor oil for the break in period after a rebuild. Could a person use castor oil all the time?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

The other thread got removed because it generated a bunch of dumb joke replies from members.

And I'm not sure of the point of asking this but ok...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

No matter how sweet it smells, burning used motor oil contains a multitude of nasty toxins and known carcinogens and you should avoid breathing it at all costs.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

WhirledTraveller wrote:
No matter how sweet it smells, burning used motor oil contains a multitude of nasty toxins and known carcinogens and you should avoid breathing it at all costs.

Just guessing, I'd say creebobby did this test with new oil. Smile Could be wrong... Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: What oil smells the best when it burns? Testing done. Reply with quote

creebobby wrote:

I wanted to see if there's an oil that smells better when it inevitably leaks and smokes.


Seems like it is better to just fix the leaks when they occur.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: What oil smells the best when it burns? Testing done. Reply with quote

Wildthings wrote:
creebobby wrote:

I wanted to see if there's an oil that smells better when it inevitably leaks and smokes.


Seems like it is better to just fix the leaks when they occur.
Eh? Where's the fun in that?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What oil smells the best when it burns? Testing done. Reply with quote

[/quote] Eh? Where's the fun in that? Very Happy[/quote]

I wonder if you can get different colored smoke?
Like the tires that smoke pink.......

That would be fun......"What is that red smoke coming out of that car??????"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

So I have some interesting information and I'm going to leave it here.

Called the phone number for quaker state to ask about their defy high mileage oil and zinc. Ended up talking to a guy named Chris in oil filters. Asked him about ZDDP levels in that oil and he said he didn't know, gave me this number:

1-800-237-8645

Apparently Shell and Quaker state are related? The main menu gave options to ask about Shell and Quaker state oils.

Woman named Allie answered when I selected lubricants from their menu and I asked about zinc in Shell Rotella oils.

She said T4, T5, and T6 have 1200 ppm of zinc.

Which confuses me since there is so much talk about the reduction of zinc in those oils...


I have personally always run Rotella despite the bad talk of it in the last 5 years and I have found no reason to stop running it based on the internal condition of the engines I have torn down...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic Reply with quote

This is so damn frustrating. Over 200 pages of useless crap. I don't want to be an oil scientist, I just want to find out what frekin' oil to buy. Example: Stock engine = XXX brand, yyy grade.
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