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drscope
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Ok Dwayne1m, you may have me on the World of Outlaws cockpit adjustable sway bars. I quit playing with cars in the dirt when I was about 7. (NOT meant to be a slam - racing is racing and I'll race just about anything if given the opportunity)
This was my ride.
I am familiar with this Sprint Car,
If you look close up front you will see something that looks like an aluminum trailing arm. THAT is actually the sway bar link. And on this Sprint car it is cockpit adjustable.
And although I don’t spend a lot of time at the dirt track, I do try to go see what’s going on once or twice a year and I have several friends and racing buddies who are into that stuff. The one thing I have found is that in much of the dirt track racing, rules in certain categories of cars can differ greatly just from one track to another. I know guys running late models who will only run one track, or won’t run certain other tracks because of rules changes that would effect their cars.
Knowing that certain groups of 410 Sprint Cars do run adjustable sway bars, I wrongly assumed the World of Outlaw guys did too.
But it has been pointed out they do still run rear sway bars!
See you in the winners circle! Or is it the Whiner’s Circle?
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PF63bug
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So the conclusion is: sway bars for the road is good, shocks are good, and VW's are not. 914, so they sway more in stock set up.
Just be careful lowering the car as I have read in other posts that if you go drastic you can really mess up the handling.
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Indetrucks
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I'm only here for the DrScope and Dwayne internet battle.
Pass the popcorn
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vintageant
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| Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: The reason for sway bars? |
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For off-road rallycross purposes I am trying to reduce understeer.
The bug currently has no front anti-sway bar
From what I've read, adding a front anti-sway bar will actually increase understeer.
Have I understood correctly?[/img] |
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rcooled
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: The reason for sway bars? |
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| From what I've read, adding a front anti-sway bar will actually increase understeer. Have I understood correctly? |
Yes, you have. But cars driven on pavement behave differently from those driven on dirt. For the best set-up in your particular case, you'll need to get some pointers on suspension tuning from Rallycross guys who are running similar cars on the same kind of courses that you intend to run.
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Abscate
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Ten years ago I had a 1971 Porsche 914. No matter how fast I took a corner that car did not sway. Then when I got the bug I couldn't deal with all the swaying or rolling. I think it was here that I asked what to do. The suggestions included sway bars front and rear, coil-over shocks and lowering the bug.
I never had a shop class in 4 years of high school and never had time for auto shop in my 9 years of college. So my stupid questions come from that background.
The photo shows what I do for a living, what I've done six days a week for the past 28 years. 
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Is that horse dead from all the beating it took in this thread??
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scottyrocks
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The last car I did any suspension work on was my MINI Cooper. I replaced the stock 16mm rear bar with an adjustable 19mm, and put it on the stiffest setting. The car went from having a slight amount of understeer to feeling as if it had a pole straight down through the middle of the car during cornering. Iow, very hard to break either end loose.
Point is, they do work, in the right applications. |
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scottyrocks
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: The reason for sway bars? |
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| It's all about balance. I upped my MINI's rear bar by 3mm and it went from slight understeer to feeling like there was pole down through the middle of the floor into the road. The car would pivot around that point and was unshakeable. |
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blue65
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:35 am Post subject: Re: The reason for sway bars? |
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My Beetle has a heavy duty front anti-sway bar. The front is also lowered 1+ inch. After hearing this discussion, should I remove the front anti-sway bar to improve performance? |
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bigryanh
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Ok Dwayne1m, you may have me on the World of Outlaws cockpit adjustable sway bars. I quit playing with cars in the dirt when I was about 7. (NOT meant to be a slam - racing is racing and I'll race just about anything if given the opportunity)
This was my ride.
I am familiar with this Sprint Car,
If you look close up front you will see something that looks like an aluminum trailing arm. THAT is actually the sway bar link. And on this Sprint car it is cockpit adjustable.
And although I don’t spend a lot of time at the dirt track, I do try to go see what’s going on once or twice a year and I have several friends and racing buddies who are into that stuff. The one thing I have found is that in much of the dirt track racing, rules in certain categories of cars can differ greatly just from one track to another. I know guys running late models who will only run one track, or won’t run certain other tracks because of rules changes that would effect their cars.
Knowing that certain groups of 410 Sprint Cars do run adjustable sway bars, I wrongly assumed the World of Outlaw guys did too.
But it has been pointed out they do still run rear sway bars!
See you in the winners circle! Or is it the Whiner’s Circle? |
You are mistaken. The aluminum trailing arm is attached to the Torsion Bar, not the sway bar. They do not run Sway bars of any design, however most every mainstream dirt sprint car runs torsion bars suspension and a few may run coil-over front suspension. A couple of guys may have experimented with a sway bar set up, but there has never been the norm. Asphalt Sprint cars may run a sway bar, however I am not sure. |
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Mos6502
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: The reason for sway bars? |
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| blue65 wrote: |
My Beetle has a heavy duty front anti-sway bar. The front is also lowered 1+ inch. After hearing this discussion, should I remove the front anti-sway bar to improve performance? |
Is there something wrong with the performance of your car???
There's a reason the factory put anti-sway bars on these things...
Unless you're planning on driving off road, over uneven surfaces, you should leave it where it is.
(PS: people reading to this thread, look at the date of the posts you're replying to  ) |
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