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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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I have gone through all the vac lines and taken the boot off. I don't see any evidence of leaks?
I then took the distributor cap off and used a hand vac to advance. It does move but it taken close to 10 pounds of vac. I did do my best to clean it up but it's still 10 pounds of vac to move it. I'm not sure what it should be. I also tried to simply suck on the line to get movement and that's not happening.
I'm wondering if it's bound and needs more than the system can give it to advance ? I'm definitely not one to throw parts at a problem but it looks like after coupons I could get an 009 distributor without vac for 50 bucks.
Is it worth replacing this one and can I use 009 without vac?
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51156 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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You'll really regret installing an 009, contact Wcfvw69, Glenn or Tasb regarding having your DVDA rebuilt, or maybe they have a replacement in stock.
Can you rig a long hose on the fuel pressure gauge so it's visible while driving?(even in a mirror), what's the fuel pressure doing when it craps out? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Ok no 009. I don't even need to ask why. Yes I can rig a long hose up to the gage and have my son watch it from the back seat. Great idea. I will give that a go in the AM and post results.
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Well this is a mystery. I put a king hose on the fuel gage and drive the car. As I was accelerating pressure was all over the place. 32 psi and would drop as low 15 psi as I accelerated.
Got back to the garage and did a flow test and it was terrible. Maybe 10 percent of a liter. I then pulled the rear wheel and disconnected the fuel input line where it transitions to flexible.
The flow was about half a liter but the flow was constant. I then connected the line and did another flow test at the cold start valve. I have no idea what happened but the flow was half a liter and this time had consistent flow?
I reconnected and drive it again. Pressure was 32 and dropped to 30. The timing is off and it had some backfires as I decelerated but it ran strong.
I also changed oil and adjusted valves last. Night ?
No idea what happened here but it ran? |
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Hi all - The car is running great after allot of work and a rebuild distributor. I did have to pull the fuel tank to replace the sending unit and I now have a gas odor in the car while driving.
I am not seeing any fuel leaks while car is running or after immediately after running. no fuel on the floor after sitting overnight?
Is this a common problem ? I did not have this prior to pulling the tank?
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9970 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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If the rubber boots and sleeves connected to the gas tank were old, they should have been replaced. Rubber around hydrocarbons is good for no more than 10 years. Beyond that it is all a fluke and a prayer. Plus, that gas odor in the cabin is almost always from the hoses at the gas tank! _________________ Jimbo
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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That would make a great deal of sense. When I put it back together I got a slight leak as I was putting fuel in. I cranked down on clamps and it stopped but it's the original. Ok time for new ones.
On another note the sending is working but is a quarter of a tank low. I filled the tank completely and it shows three quarters.
Is there any way to adjust ? Certainly better than nothing but I like hints to work correctly. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9970 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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johnwiththree wrote: |
On another note the sending is working but is a quarter of a tank low. I filled the tank completely and it shows three quarters.
Is there any way to adjust ? Certainly better than nothing but I like hints to work correctly. |
I adjust my sending units when installing. There are two stop tabs , bent to limit the float arm movement in both the up and down stroke. I start with a good batterey with a charger on it, during my adjustments. I then connect a ground wire from the body to the fuel sending unit flange. Then let the arm hang and look k at the gauge (use a mirror on the front seat, reflecting the fuel gauge). Bend the lower tab until it reads where you want it to read for empty. Then adjust the tab for full, same way. Assembly everything and before you put any gas into the tank, check the gauge for empty. Fill it up, checking at 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 tank. Keep pouring in fuel till it is full and check the gauge. You may need to drain and readjust. Sometimes the tab is not enough. You may need to bend the float arm.
Be extremely careful. Gasoline is easily ignited and highly explosive! A spark during these manipulations could kill you, so it is imperative that you are careful and work thoughtfully and cautiously!
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There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Thanks so much. I ordered new sleeves and will pull tank when it gets here and adjust sending unit.
Appreciate it and will be extra cautious. Fuel and electronics can be a bad combination. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9970 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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johnwiththree wrote: |
Thanks so much. I ordered new sleeves and will pull tank when it gets here and adjust sending unit.
Appreciate it and will be extra cautious. Fuel and electronics can be a bad combination. |
All sounds good. Just chiming in to insure you also ordered the interior bands as well.?.?
There is also 3mm vapor tubing to change out, if I am not mistaken. Be sure to take care of those, as well!
Good luck! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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67rustavenger wrote: |
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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I didn't order interior bands. Thanks I will get those going now.
Appreciate it |
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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OK on to the next fix. My car is finally running really well (thanks for all the help everyone) and my confidence is growing that I wont end up constantly on the side of the road.
I have not been on the highway yet but have graduated to secondary roads. What I am noticing is the car is pulling to the right.
The easy path is bring it in and get it aligned but why do that if I can learn more about how this car works.
The question would be is that foolish and if not how best to aligned this little racing machine ?????
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Do yourself a favor here and have a good look at the front brakes and wheel bearings. Get them all nice and working as they should.
Then have a good look at the tires. Are they they any good and are indeed the correct size and running the correct pressures?
If all of that is OK, then take it to a front end alignment shop that can actually do a beetle correctly. Not everyone can. |
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johnwiththree Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Thanks for the input. The brakes are new and working as are the tires. The car had been in storage for many years and I replace and reworked most functional parts.
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Hoping to get some input on my beetle during acceleration. The car is running really well however in second gear at times I get some hestitatiin.
Just a quick summary:
The car was in storage and after a long battle I was able to get running.
1. Fuel is now right on at a liter per minute
2. Pressure right on at 33 psi
3. Can't find any vacuum leaks after smoke test
4. Distributor just rebuilt and working to spec
5. New coil
6. Timing (with a gun ) has 35 degree at about 2500 rpm
7. Fuel filters clean (I added a second )
8. Sensors are working at start and rom drops after about a minute at idle
Acceleration in first gear is fine with no hestitatiin and third and forth also but second struggles. If I push pedal during the hestitatiin there is additional power.
Big stuff seems solid but there is fine tuning I'm missing.
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Dark Earth Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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johnwiththree wrote: |
6. Timing (with a gun ) has 35 degree at about 2500 rpm |
I'd try 28-30 @ full advance. _________________ My Build: '69 Baja - Dark Earth Version
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51156 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Dark Earth wrote: |
johnwiththree wrote: |
6. Timing (with a gun ) has 35 degree at about 2500 rpm |
I'd try 28-30 @ full advance. |
With both hoses removed from the distributor. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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johnwiththree Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Oh shit timing was done with hoses on... ok completely missed that. Let's trying doing it right and see what I get.
Thanks I will give that a try tomorrow and let you know. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Also, put a wooden golf tee in each hose, so there is no vacuum leak! _________________ Jimbo
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johnwiththree Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2018 Posts: 107 Location: Simsbury CT
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Car starts but quickly stalls out |
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Thanks a much use for a tee since I can't seem to hit a fairway these days 😁 |
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