| Author |
Message |
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:22 pm Post subject: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
 |
|
I either have a stripped passenger side axle nut or the axle stub.
Job One though, is to get the nut off... any ideas?
Is it too hair-brained to take the cotter pin out, drive in reverse slowly, and see if I can get the axle nut to start backing out?
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Paul70Ghia
Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2014
Posts: 154
Location: Uk
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| If you drill the nut very carefully to avoid damaging the other bits its in contact with you should then be able to split the hub nut with a sharp cold chisel. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
What's the best way to drill so I split the axle nut?
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Starbucket
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 4025
Location: WA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| When you say it won't come off is it turning? They are torqued to 220 ft/lbs about a breaker bar and a 5' pipe, not jacked up until it breaks loose and have someone pushing hard in the brake. You better torque it back to that on reassembly or the brake drum will strip the splines. If the nut is turning and the drum isn't , the drum has stripped. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
djkeev
Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 32592
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
The nut does turn right and left. However it doesn't get tighter or looser... it just spins. As I said earlier I can't tell if the nut is stripped or the axle stub. I'll know that when the nut is off.
I have an angle grinder but a Dremel w/a smaller wheel would be easier to handle and be more precise. I certainly don't want to cut into anything else but the nut.
If the axle stub is stripped I plan on getting an M24x1.5 die to chase the threads
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Eric&Barb
Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24736
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| bhartwell59 wrote: |
If the axle stub is stripped I plan on getting an M24x1.5 die to chase the threads |
A thread chaser will do a better job by reforming the threads, that if you insist going that way.
A die will just cut off metal that has been deformed by stripping the threads.
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Starbucket
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 4025
Location: WA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| The axel is hardened not the nut so the nut should be the problem. Check to se if your local FLAPS has a loner nut splitter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Eric&Barb
Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24736
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| Starbucket wrote: |
| The axel is hardened not the nut so the nut should be the problem. Check to se if your local FLAPS has a loner nut splitter. |
Or just a hammer and chisel will do the job. More than likely one does not need to cut all the way thru, just enough to spread the nut.
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
Eric&Barb: thats what I was thinking... just enough to get a cold chisel in there and force spread the nut open a bit.
I have extra axle nuts so I hope it'll be he nut that's shot and not the axle stub. Ugh.
Starbucket: there's a difference between a die and thread chaser? Reforming the threads would be preferable.
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Starbucket
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 4025
Location: WA
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| bhartwell59 wrote: |
Eric&Barb: thats what I was thinking... just enough to get a cold chisel in there and force spread the nut open a bit.
I have extra axle nuts so I hope it'll be he nut that's shot and not the axle stub. Ugh.
Starbucket: there's a difference between a die and thread chaser? Reforming the threads would be preferable.
|
All you can do is clean out the threads as they should be OK, the nut is softer, that's why I say it's the drum as it is softer too. I would grind the nut down to just above the threads and aim the chisel not down toward the threads but to the left (like you are trying to loosen the nut) as you don't want to chisel into the threads. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Eric&Barb
Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24736
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
djkeev
Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 32592
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
I haven't forgotten about what you recommended. Made sense to me.
Gonna get after this problem this weekend. I'll be reporting back.
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
Got the axle nut off without too much banging.
Kept the tire/wheel on to hopefully absorb any shocks to the bearing. Especially after djkeev "strong suggestion"!
After using the Dremel to cut into it in a couple of spots I used a cold chisel more as a lever to get the nut to move toward me and then was able to get it to thread and screw off.
Turns out the axle stub needs some thread chasing... got an M24x1.5 rethreading die on order.
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jeffrey8164 
Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018
Posts: 3817
Location: Georgia
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
Hopefully there is enough meat left to hold the torque. Sounds as if it was over torqued and now stripped
_________________
Volkswagen!
Turning owners into mechanics since 1938.
“Let he that is without oil throw the first rod”
(Compression 8.7:1) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
I hope so.
Could I have over torqued it? Was using a 5' long cheater bar + 3/4" breaker bar and 36mm socket... I only weigh 145 lbs.
I'd be curious about the math on this.
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Starbucket
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 4025
Location: WA
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| bhartwell59 wrote: |
I hope so.
Could I have over torqued it? Was using a 5' long cheater bar + 3/4" breaker bar and 36mm socket... I only weigh 145 lbs.
I'd be curious about the math on this
. |
Sounds just like 220ft/lb. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
chrisflstf
Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004
Posts: 3438
Location: San Diego
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| 145 lbs at 4 foot on a 5 foot bar is 580 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
iowegian
Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005
Posts: 9829
Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Axle nut turns but it won't screw off |
|
|
| chrisflstf wrote: |
| 145 lbs at 4 foot on a 5 foot bar is 580 |
I was told there would be no math. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
