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Mellow Yellow 74
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The drawing shows the Beetle chassis as being longer than the Ghia which isn’t right. Also this is not correct:
So, Karmann reached out to Ghia to see if they had any great ideas, and Ghia looked over to the corner of their workshop and saw the forlorn D’Elegance and said “Well, now that you mention it...”
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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The drawing shows the Beetle chassis as being longer than the Ghia which isn’t right. Also this is not correct:
So, Karmann reached out to Ghia to see if they had any great ideas, and Ghia looked over to the corner of their workshop and saw the forlorn D’Elegance and said “Well, now that you mention it...” |
Yeah - the inclued drawing comparing the Beetle and Karmann Ghia floorpans is definitely misleading, but at least the author got it correct in the text ...
| Jalopnik's Jason Torchinsky wrote: |
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I know everyone always says the Karmann-Ghia was just a Beetle with a sleeker body, but there were actually some other changes, too. While the chassis was based on the Beetle pan, the Ghia’s full-width body required the floorpans of the Beetle chassis to be widened, resulting in a chassis that was four inches wider than the stock Beetle.
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I knew that the Karmann Ghia shared the same floorpan with the VW Thing (a,k.a. Trekker, Safari, Type 181), but ...
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This wider chassis was more flexible to a greater number of body designs, and as a result was used for a number of other VW Type I cars, including the VW Thing and the Brazilian Beetle replacement, the Brasilia.
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... I did not know that it was also shared with the Brasilia.
I also did not know that all four roof pillars of the Karmann Ghia coupe were actually seperate pieces joined together by the craftsmen at the Karmann Coachworks as the photo in the article indicates.
Interesting article, and IMO yet just another indication that the collector car market in general is paying more attention and giving more respect to the VW Karmann Ghia.
I'm also of the opinion that the more the collector car market in general knows about the Karmann Ghia and how it was produced,, the higher the resale values will become.
Thanks to KhakiMan for sharing the article link. |
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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| Mellow Yellow 74 wrote: |
The drawing shows the Beetle chassis as being longer than the Ghia which isn’t right. Also this is not correct:
So, Karmann reached out to Ghia to see if they had any great ideas, and Ghia looked over to the corner of their workshop and saw the forlorn D’Elegance and said “Well, now that you mention it...” |
Yeah - the inclued drawing comparing the Beetle and Karmann Ghia floorpans is definitely misleading, but at least the author got it correct in the text ...
| Jalopnik's Jason Torchinsky wrote: |
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I know everyone always says the Karmann-Ghia was just a Beetle with a sleeker body, but there were actually some other changes, too. While the chassis was based on the Beetle pan, the Ghia’s full-width body required the floorpans of the Beetle chassis to be widened, resulting in a chassis that was four inches wider than the stock Beetle.
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I knew that the Karmann Ghia shared the same floorpan with the VW Thing (a,k.a. Trekker, Safari, Type 181), but ...
| Jalopnik's Jason Torchinsky wrote: |
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This wider chassis was more flexible to a greater number of body designs, and as a result was used for a number of other VW Type I cars, including the VW Thing and the Brazilian Beetle replacement, the Brasilia.
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... I did not know that it was also shared with the Brasilia.
I also did not know that all four roof pillars of the Karmann Ghia coupe were actually seperate pieces joined together by the craftsmen at the Karmann Coachworks as the photo in the article indicates.
Interesting article, and IMO yet just another indication that the collector car market in general is paying more attention and giving more respect to the VW Karmann Ghia.
I'm also of the opinion that the more the collector car market in general knows about the Karmann Ghia and how it was produced,, the higher the resale values will become.
Thanks to KhakiMan for sharing the article link. |
I think the collector market has discovered the Karmann Ghia 
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-volkswagen-karmann-ghia-convertible-4/
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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That wasn’t a knowledgeable collector that bought that. That color matched/painted interior crap is horrible.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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| That wasn’t a knowledgeable collector that bought that. |
Agreed... 
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jeffrey8164
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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I for one welcome the aspirational.
Let them pull them from the weeds and fix them up just like we have.
More Ghias = More fun.
Every time I see one rolling down the road it brings me joy.
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| That wasn’t a knowledgeable collector that bought that. That color matched/painted interior crap is horrible. |
It certainly appealed to someone. Knowledgeable or not.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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I for one welcome the aspirational.
Let them pull them from the weeds and fix them up just like we have.
More Ghias = More fun.
Every time I see one rolling down the road it brings me joy. |
^^^ yea, that.
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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So...
Did Segre influence Exner or was it the other way around. One other interesting todbit is there is supposedly a total of 11ft. of hand welded seams to join the panels. I might go measure!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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So...
Did Segre influence Exner or was it the other way around. One other interesting todbit is there is supposedly a total of 11ft. of hand welded seams to join the panels. I might go measure! |
There's nobody alive who was privvy to the inside line, just suspicions/assumptions/guesses but Ghia had a "house style" that was shared among several projects...who knows. 
Certainly the Ghia used some of them but the beautiful nose is all Karmann Ghia.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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I just tripped across the youtube version...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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This is great and really well produced. The guy seems to know what he is talking about and obviously enjoys the Ghia. Thanks for posting!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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| The guy seems to know what he is talking about and obviously enjoys the Ghia. |
Yes, Torch definitely knows his way around VWs. I do think he is more of a Beetle guy, but he loves all aircooled VWs.
I look at Jalopnik everyday, and I would say that his articles are some of the funniest/most interesting ones on that website. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Five Things to Know About the VW Karmann-Ghia (A |
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| Ghia's rust so be careful buying one!!!! They are a cool car but grossly under powered in stock form. They have great potential for performance and enjoyment plus a big cool factor. Put in a 150 + HP motor (no Orange county factor), 5 speed with brakes and suspension and they are hard to pass up on the fun ticket. I loved the convertibles with the top up and rear window down - great looking lots of ventilation and fun to drive -just not too safe when it comes to collisions. |
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