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Paulbeard Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2015 Posts: 2604 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:57 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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PM sent… _________________ Currently -> Frida: 87 Tizian Red (mostly) Vanagon GL Westfalia w/ 2.0L ABA conversion
Formerly -> Steward of a 73 Super Beetle (Beater) and 67 Beetle 1300 (Little Max) both names by POs
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designer Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2009 Posts: 484 Location: Idaho-but just the tip
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Jay - do you have a thread on here that details your Solar setup? Sorry off topic - trying to take it off topic though
I need to get serious about my Solar -> Aux setup and am curious as to what you have, specifically. (if it's not classified )
On another note Kam - i've always practiced the same on disconnection ... always covered the panels as I was told by a sambanista back in 2009. _________________ __________
87 Syncro Westy : 2.5l
"It is that annoying, accelerating downhill so I can make it up the next hill in the same gear. Foot to floor hoping I can get out of the way of other cars getting onto the highway." - somebody on here around 2013. |
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thatvwbusguy Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2007 Posts: 1712 Location: Newmarket, New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:52 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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My solar setup is really simple. I have a 100W Monocrystaline panel mounted to the roof bars that feeds a 20A MPPT controller. Wiring is 10AWG and goes directly to the auxiliary battery.
I used to carry a flexible 100W panel with me to track the sun during the day, but I never really needed it, so I sold it to a friend. My power needs are pretty minimal and working 2 jobs generally keeps me from camping for extended periods of time.
If you use a bi-directional ACR like the Blue Sea Systems 7610 and want to ensure that all of your solar power is dedicated to the house battery, install a ON/OFF toggle switch on the ground wire to force isolate the batteries while camping. You just have to remember to flip the switch back to the ON position to resume automatic operation.
A good deep cycle battery under the passenger side of the rear seat is still the best bang for the buck. I consider Trojan batteries to be a pretty good balance of cost vs. value. _________________ Jay Brown
'85 Zetec Westfalia
Newmarket, NH
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Hi folks.
Have users of the Anderson Powerpole connectors found they're holding up after a lot of repeated connect-disconnects?
Has anyone found a "chassis mount" Anderson or similar connector that has proven to be weather proof? (hasn't allowed corrosion to creep down the wires on body)
I'm thinking of making a remote flexible solar panel and considering ways to mount the connector at the rear pillar vent area.
Thanks
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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izzydog Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 665
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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I've had the 75 amp Anderson Power Poles for almost 10 years now. They are holding up great.
I have two, 120 watt flexible panels attached to about 50 feet of heavy gauge speaker wire. I store the panels in the upper bunk.
I ran my connection from my battery, (under rear seat) out the fire wall and into the engine compartment, around the compartment to the license plate door.
When I need to plug the panels in, I just pop the license plate door open and plug in. The connectors stay relatively dry and clean in there and I didn't have to punch a hole anywhere in the body or pop top. The license plate door is a big hole in the body! Use it! |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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izzydog wrote: |
I've had the 75 amp Anderson Power Poles for almost 10 years now. They are holding up great.
I have two, 120 watt flexible panels attached to about 50 feet of heavy gauge speaker wire. I store the panels in the upper bunk.
I ran my connection from my battery, (under rear seat) out the fire wall and into the engine compartment, around the compartment to the license plate door.
When I need to plug the panels in, I just pop the license plate door open and plug in. The connectors stay relatively dry and clean in there and I didn't have to punch a hole anywhere in the body or pop top. The license plate door is a big hole in the body! Use it! |
Hey that's a really cool idea. Thanks. And thanks for real world use input on longevity of the Anderson connectors.
It's a bit far fetched but my idea is to mount the panel on aluminum then stash it onto the inside of rear hatch. When I'm lazy, I'd flip it up to use for privacy at rear glass and maybe gather sun rays. Otherwise, it'd hang from rear or passenger side of van. (fridge side in the shade that way)
Thanks again
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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izzydog Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 665
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:49 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Hey Neil. The only potential issue I see with your idea is that the glass on your rear window will cut your solar gain - possibly significantly.
Since I'm able to move my panels around during the day, I've noticed that dirt on the panels, angle of the panels or anything that casts even the smallest shadow on the panels will clobber the amp output.
Maybe you could test out your panel on a sunny day and hopefully prove me wrong... |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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izzydog wrote: |
Hey Neil. The only potential issue I see with your idea is that the glass on your rear window will cut your solar gain - possibly significantly.
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Totally agree. I didn't clarify "lazy". "lazy" meaning if I didn't feel like moving the panel outside, I'd just put it up in the window. But doing so is probably a waste of effort. Also, heat inside van plus heat at window might harm the panel over time. But I'm not sure of that.
I mostly like the idea of being able to move the panel.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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vwhammer Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: Boulder CO.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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I use the PowerPole connectors every day at work and have used the same sets, connecting and disconnecting, repeatedly 5 days a week for 7 years and honestly I can't recall ever having a failure.
I work in a research and development lab so our set ups usually do not see too much in the way of bad weather other than some occasional water and sub-zero temps in our environmental chamber so I can't say much on corrosion resistance.
However, I suspect with some proper sealing heat shrink on the connector you could slow down anything like that.
Perhaps you can sort a way to use something like this for moisture protection.
https://powerwerx.com/anderson-1441g1-1442g1-powerpole-splash-boot
There is also a possibility that that site has some other stuff as well.
I did not look too hard. |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Thanks vwhammer!
Ok. So they are obviously quite robust. My concern would be water getting in to the (female?) contacts at connector on body while the panel is unplugged.
Maybe this?
http://andersonconnect.com.au/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=317
or other trailer type connector. i.e. for this application, Anderson Pole connectors may not really aren't needed. (power only goes in)
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7469 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Vanagon Nut wrote: |
Thanks vwhammer!
Ok. So they are obviously quite robust. My concern would be water getting in to the (female?)...
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I've just spent the evening researching DC connectors for a remote solar panel (not being satisfied with cig lighter or SAE connectors). In my research on Anderson connectors I learned they are hermaphroditic...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_connector
Powerpole connectors are physically and electrically hermaphroditic, thus avoiding the need to worry about which end is the plug and which the socket, or which end has the correct polarity, as is the case with the physically but not electrically hermaphroditic 2-wire trailer plug.
I've also learned a number of benefits of the Anderson connectors (silver plated, easy to connect/disconnect, etc.) and the disadvantages (they don't make an easy duplex panel mount). _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Gnarlodious Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 2323 Location: Adobe Jungle USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:58 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Some Wiki editor is obviously enjoying a fantasy session. The correct term is genderless. _________________ Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7469 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:07 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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thatvwbusguy wrote: |
I'm pretty sure that I have some Andersen 45A terminals kicking around. Do you have a crimping tool that can form the proper crimp for this type of terminal? |
Proper Anderson Crimper?
Are there reasonable alternatives to the Powerwerx Tricrimp (or similar tools) for crimping Anderson 15/30/45 terminals? I know the terminals can't be deformed too much or they won't fit into the connector.
I have two ratchet crimpers a Titan with a single set of jaws for insulated terminals and an Astro with 6 jaws that I purchased primarily for barrel terminals (I finally can make nice crimps like Hans und Franz ) but it doesn't seem either will work for PowerPole terminals.
What do you all use for crimping PowerPole terminals? It seems adopting these will require a new tool unless if I'm missing a cheat with, say, slip-joint pliers (similar to Sodo's open-end wrench and hammer I saw in another thread). I've graduated from the $5 masher/crimper but I'm learning that there are many specialty crimps to use on a Vanagon: barrel, insulated, MC4 solar, PowerPole, etc. and each prefers its proprietary crimper.
Astro Crimper, six quick change dies, $55...
https://www.amazon.com/Astro-9477-Professional-Int...amp;sr=8-3
Titan Crimper, screw in die for insulated terminals, $21..
https://www.amazon.com/Titan-Tools-11477-Ratchetin...amp;sr=8-3
Powerwerx Tricrimp for PowerPole terminals, $55...
https://www.amazon.com/Powerwerx-TRIcrimp-Powerpol...amp;sr=8-3 _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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vwhammer Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: Boulder CO.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:43 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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There really is no substitute for the right crimper.
You might get lucky and find on that works but who knows how many you will have to try first.
I have the PowerPole crimpers.
They work and were not that expensive.
We have some crimpers at work that are pushing $800 so I am definitely ok paying $50 or 60 for some.
I also have a cheap set of ratchet crimpers I got from amazon that I should try sometime on the powerpoles just to see if they work.
They do a lot more different styles of terminals but they still ended up being like $35 or something. _________________ Pretty normal daily driver build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=708418&highlight=
4x4 build
https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/volkswagen-vanagon-4x4-conversion.162055/ |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7469 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:29 am Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Gnarlodious wrote: |
Some Wiki editor is obviously enjoying a fantasy session. The correct term is genderless. |
Not that it matters, but Anderson's glossary defaults to Hermaphroditic (page 12). I'm spending way too much time learning about these connectors but they're new to me.
https://www.andersonpower.com/content/dam/app/ecommerce/product-pdfs/CAT-PPMP.pdf
_________________ - Jim
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Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Gnarlodious Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 2323 Location: Adobe Jungle USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Strange but OK. I have been using PowerPoles for 25 years and never heard the word ‘hermaphroditic’ to describe them. Amateur radio, RACES and Search & Rescue has always described them as ‘genderless’ connectors. _________________ Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7469 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Here's another option for panel mounting PowerPole connectors. It's not as plug'n'play as the connector below and it also doesn't have a water resistant cap but it allows setting only one pair of connectors (maybe this is what Kamz used?). I'm looking to set a single pair at the front and rear of the van to connect an aux. solar panel to find the sun wherever it is in a 20' -25' radius around the van.
https://powerwerx.com/anderson-1463g1-powerpole-mo...MOEALw_wcB
thatvwbusguy wrote: |
Quite a few people have asked me about the best way to convert one of the Westfalia inlets (city water, electric, water tank fill) into a convenient way to attach a solar panel to the van.
I was just buying a few connectors and noticed that there is a new option that seems almost perfect for the job: http://www.powerwerx.com/powerpole-accessories/pan....html#desc
This would also allow a convenient way to power outside lighting or a compressor etc. Just convert whatever accessories you want to power over to 15/30/45A Power Poles and you are good to go. |
_________________ - Jim
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Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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Gnarlodious wrote: |
Strange but OK. I have been using PowerPoles for 25 years and never heard the word ‘hermaphroditic’ to describe them. Amateur radio, RACES and Search & Rescue has always described them as ‘genderless’ connectors. |
Maybe it some crazy new PC change in word use? It sure was a new use to me when I came across it yesterday. _________________ - Jim
Abscate wrote: |
Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7923 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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jimf909 wrote: |
it also doesn't have a water resistant cap but it allows setting only one pair of connectors (maybe this is what Kamz used?). |
They changed from 2 to 4 mounting holes, but yes. Here's a better photo:
It's recessed quite a bit in the hookup box, so I'm not concerned with water intrusion. What I'd like, though, are caps for the panel-side connectors to keep dirt out of them when unplugged. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: New Anderson PowerPole Mount |
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vwhammer wrote: |
There really is no substitute for the right crimper.
You might get lucky and find on that works but who knows how many you will have to try first.
I have the PowerPole crimpers.
They work and were not that expensive.
We have some crimpers at work that are pushing $800 so I am definitely ok paying $50 or 60 for some.
I also have a cheap set of ratchet crimpers I got from amazon that I should try sometime on the powerpoles just to see if they work.
They do a lot more different styles of terminals but they still ended up being like $35 or something. |
Thanks. I kinda figured that would be the case. Here's a few pages of Amateur Radio chat on these connectors (crimping, soldering, etc.). They kinda sound like us here at the samba...but going on for five pages about connectors...
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/crimping-anderson-power-pole-connectors.262065/ _________________ - Jim
Abscate wrote: |
Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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