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Zundfolge1432 
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 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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I watched that Kennedy video of the shooting... it is obvious there were 2-3 firing positions. As soon as he passed the sign (obscured Kennedy for a moment) see him clasping his throat. Then comes a shot that blew his head off....that shot could have come from the front or back or at an angle.
It is a big ass mystery or an efficient cover-up from the powers that be.
Oswald was a marine but hardly a great shot. Barely qualified rifle.
People who shoot rifles w/ irons -- ask anyone of them and see how hard it is to shoot a moving target the size of a melon from that distance and get a first round hit. You would have to have set that rifle at that known distance and lots of practice.
When I have not fired for awhile, takes me a little to get my groove back before I am where I want..esp in the offhand.
Maybe Oswald was very lucky shot if he was the lone shooter.
And what is Ruby's interest in him?
One thing interesting is --Kennedy told Democrats in the south to stop lynching blacks and 2 days later he was dead. |
Like I was saying the whole affair raises many questions. If you get a chance see it for yourself as a shooter you’ll appreciate it more. I still don’t know why he didn’t just take the easy shot as target was approaching him. Someone mentioned it as a creepy place, it still feels that way. I was at a gun show in Arlington wearing a Kennedy T shirt and one of the vendors said something shitty about Kennedy, Texas is still a weird place sometimes. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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You are right about that ..why not take the easier way. Directly in the front - which is where the first shot that hit him in the throat. You don't see him get hit in the throat but clasps his throat after he clears the sign post in the camera.
It looks complicated because it is complicated. Maybe Oswald was really a patsy.
Maybe it was like the movie..Shooter. But this time, the patsy was smart. LOL. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:25 am Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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I was a young boy that had just turned five. I still vividly remember the event and have always had a interest in the assassination and the aftermath. Hulu has and interesting mini series "11-22-63" starring James Franco. It deals with saving Kennedy from the deed but doesn't speculate on anything past that point. Historians way smarter than I can debate that.
Anyhow, I wish he had been able to live to see his promise of putting a man on the moon before the end of the decade. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| I was born 11 days later. My first recollection of world events was the moon landing that Kennedy set in motion. My Dad went out and bought a new TV for the moon landing. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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Oswald was a marine but hardly a great shot. Barely qualified rifle.
People who shoot rifles w/ irons -- ask anyone of them and see how hard it is to shoot a moving target the size of a melon from that distance and get a first round hit. You would have to have set that rifle at that known distance and lots of practice.
When I have not fired for awhile, takes me a little to get my groove back before I am where I want..esp in the offhand.
Maybe Oswald was very lucky shot if he was the lone shooter.
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Oswald had a scope. I went to the plaza, and was surprised how close it was. I could make that shot, and I never received any formal training.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| nsracing wrote: |
Oswald was a marine but hardly a great shot. Barely qualified rifle.
People who shoot rifles w/ irons -- ask anyone of them and see how hard it is to shoot a moving target the size of a melon from that distance and get a first round hit. You would have to have set that rifle at that known distance and lots of practice.
When I have not fired for awhile, takes me a little to get my groove back before I am where I want..esp in the offhand.
Maybe Oswald was very lucky shot if he was the lone shooter.
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Oswald had a scope. I went to the plaza, and was surprised how close it was. I could make that shot, and I never received any formal training. |
That’s a pretty bold statement considering highly qualified marksmen could not get off three rounds per the Warren commission report findings. In order to believe this requires one also believe the single bullet theory. One shot could have been made yes, two would be much more difficult considering time required and bolt action rifle. Three? No way also worth considering the Warren commission report was widely discredited and only believed by 57% of public.
As I wondered before why not take the easy shot when car was coming directly at the so called shooter ? Obviously this and way too many other questions and too long ago. I’ve been there times and still have way too many questions. |
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rcooled
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| Maybe Oswald was a very lucky shot... |
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| ...an efficient cover-up from the powers that be. |
For the record, I agree with both of these statements.
I'd like to add another theory about who actually killed JFK. Not mine, but one I find to be very compelling and believable. The Mafia wasn't involved, nor were the Cubans, or the Russians. No big conspiracy of any kind. The fatal shot might've come from someone who would ordinarily be completely above suspicion.
It all goes something like this: Oswald did indeed act alone but he had a totally unexpected ally that day. He fired only two shots from the school depository...one missed the president's car completely and the other was the so-called "magic bullet" that passed thru Kennedy's body, then hit Governor Connolly. This was a steel-jacketed bullet fired from Oswald's vintage Carcano rifle that remained intact even after passing clean thru the two men.
The theory goes on to say that the third and fatal shot was actually fired accidentally by a Secret Service agent by the name of George Hickey, who was in the open-topped car directly behind Kennedy's. After the first two shots were heard, Hickey jumped up onto the rear seat with an AR-15 rifle to possibly return fire. As his car quickly accelerated, he lost his balance and inadvertently squeezed off a round that, against all odds, struck the president in the head. The AR-15 fired a different type of bullet from the Carcano...one that was designed to explode upon impact, not simply to pass thru its target. This explains the small entry wound on the back of Kennedy's head and why his head is seen to explode as the force of the fragmenting bullet blows out the right side of his skull.
The other Secret Service agents in the car with Hickey quickly became aware of this horrible turn of events. But after all, they're entrusted to protect the president with their own lives if necessary and, while operating under a "band-of-brothers" mindset, were able to successfully cover up this fatal mishap. This helps to explain why the Secret Service forceably took over the autopsy proceedings at Parkland Memorial Hospital and why Kennedy's brain (undoubtedly full of tell-tale bullet fragments) was never properly examined and remains unaccounted for to this day.
This is all explained in much greater detail in a book, Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK by Bonar Menninger and Howard Donahue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
And in a very interesting film available on Amazon Prime:
https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Smoking-Gun-Larry-Day/dp/B00GDUFPTW
And here's a 1992 interview with Howard Donahue that sheds more light on his theory ↓
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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The actual bullet wasn't "undamaged" or "pristine".
Motorcade route was changed at a late moment, so became crime of opportunity for Oswald.
Oswald had wrapped rifle on way to the Depository, told someone it was curtain rods, which of course made no sense.
It has been proven due to alignment of the bodies, JC sitting on little jump seat, that the bullet flight did line up perfectly. The street is pretty inclined there, you need to see that in person.
Such shot has been re-enacted on film using precise measurements several times.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:40 am Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| It’s business as usual, more questions more speculation. As a great man once said “ will it go around in circles?” Billy Preston. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:25 am Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| The actual bullet wasn't "undamaged" or "pristine". |
True, but it was intact. It had deformed a bit, probably from contact with bone in Connolly's body.
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| Motorcade route was changed at a late moment, so became crime of opportunity for Oswald. |
Is the original motorcade route known, or exactly when the change was made public? The re-routing might've given him an even better shot than he would've had if the original plan was followed.
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| Oswald had wrapped rifle on way to the Depository, told someone it was curtain rods, which of course made no sense. |
I guess the original route still included a pass thru Dealey Plaza because Oswald was prepared anyway, even though he might've not known about the route change.
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| It has been proven due to alignment of the bodies, JC sitting on little jump seat, that the bullet flight did line up perfectly. |
Agreed.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| Another year and memories fade a little more. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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One of the big three "Where were you when" questions.
Kennedy Shot
Space Shuttle Exploded
9-11
It is amazing how few people were around or all three (I was) .... or two. Even the third one has many "I wasn't" answers today.
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I remember all three; I was in school in Pittsburgh and teacher had turned on WQED for a science show, and there was a report saying Kennedy had been shot. Later that Friday afternoon the Principal came on the loudspeaker and told us JFK had died, and sent us all home. Neighbor F-Tard kid came over later, was wearing a JFK sweatshirt !!!
Anyway, 9-11-2011, our team had a co-ed softball doubleheader, and Scottsdale AZ did not cancel the games that night. After the games we were sitting on the grass having beers, amazed that the city did not cancel games, and I remarked that this day would be like the day JFK was killed. It turned out that none of my teammates were alive on that 1963 day....
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| Motorcade route was changed at a late moment, so became crime of opportunity for Oswald. |
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| It has been proven due to alignment of the bodies, JC sitting on little jump seat, that the bullet flight did line up perfectly. |
Agreed.
The motorcade route was changed the day before, ended up driving DOWN Dealey Plaza (the wrong way). I've been there (1987). And that way it is significantly downhill, so with JC on the jumpseat, turned around, the downhill, all lines up perfectly.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| I’ve been there 3 times and still got questions |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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| I do not remember the day he was shot. I was 5-6 years old. But on the day of the procession and funeral, covered on live TV, my mom kept me and my two brothers home to watch tragic history unfold. I still remember the sound of the horses and the wagon wheels on the pavement, and to this day it gives me chills. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: I was 3 when JFK was killed |
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If you wanna make your head explode (if you'll pardon the pun), take a look at this, and watch the film:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Action_(film)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycRe9oNWK1E
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