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Vashon Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2012 Posts: 200 Location: Vashon Island
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4087 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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That's insane.
I know VW should be slapped around for what they did, but scrapping thousands of perfectly good cars????
Those cars could be resold to needy buyers and old crappy cars taken off the road.
By the way, Subaru got caught doing the same thing. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
The information age has morphed into the age of disinformation and willful ignorance. Agnotology!
Help the fight against Truth Decay.
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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By the time this whole sad affair is over, any manufacturer using Bosch (and perhaps other sources of) engine management soft/hardware will be implicated. I have no doubt "scenario adaptablility" was a selling point for the iteration of ECUs in question. VAG got busted, but others will follow,as they all knew about this "feature". Such a waste, especially since those vehicles are amazing performers, both for power output and reduced fuel consumption. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6829 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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...some conspiracy theory "expert" will decode a message in the color coded arrangement of the cars that holds the key to high fuel mileage. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
There are seven days in a week. Someday is not one of them. |
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Vashon Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2012 Posts: 200 Location: Vashon Island
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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“By capturing scenes like this one, I hope we will all become more conscious and more caring for our beautiful planet,” says Todorov. |
As quoted from the article. All I get is a feeling of senseless Irony. |
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vanis13 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 3092 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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possibly in 25? years when thy become "classics" they will re-appear since they won't have to pass emissions. _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
www.SuperVanagon.com - some stuff I make |
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Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1146
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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I’ve driven past the TDI lot near Colorado Springs. It’s amazing to see all of them. |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Obviously by my following question, I am completely uneducated on the situation... But I frequently pass by a much smaller storage lot of Volkswagen recalled cars near Antioch, California and I was wondering...
Why were they not allowed to simply re-program or install different ECUs? |
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Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1146
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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I thought I read somewhere that they can fix some and sell them but they are doing it slowly so as not to flood the market. |
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campism Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 4491 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Not really a Vanagon topic unless we're yanking those engines to put into our vans, right? _________________ '87 Westy in Wolfram Grey Metallic |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6829 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Local Pick-n-Pull in Virginia Beach has a contract to hold any they get. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
There are seven days in a week. Someday is not one of them. |
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Vashon Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2012 Posts: 200 Location: Vashon Island
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Not really a Vanagon topic unless we're yanking those engines to put into our vans, right? |
Guilty as charged. My only defense is that of all the millions of VW's impounded not one was a Vanagon. I never thought of mabe using a motor. That's a good idea. I was just at the time thinking how lucky I was to have a charismatic anachronism called a vanagon..untouched by modern political correctness.
I love my van.
Tim
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Kirsche Wasserboxer Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2016 Posts: 104 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Yellow Rabbit wrote: |
I’ve driven past the TDI lot near Colorado Springs. It’s amazing to see all of them. |
We drove past that lot this past summer too. I was feeling sad seeing all of those cars, as I sold my 2012 TDI SportWagen back to VW, and I really miss it. I used the money to buy my Westy. Here they are together on the day I sold it back to the dealer.
Now there is a Vanagon in this thread _________________ 1990 Westfalia Vanagon
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:46 am Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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All I can see is big blob of blur on the right and a plane on the left. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12708 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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This will eventually go down in history as one of the most idiotic attempts at cleaning up pollution ever done in North America. To take tens of thousands of the most fuel efficient cars ever off the road to be replaced by fuel hogging pickup trucks and SUVs that burn 3 to 4 times the fuel?
Stupidity knows no bounds! |
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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I don't know when this photo was taken, but there were 3 groups of TDi being repurchased.
Early ones that can't be economically made to pass required standards
Ones that will require modification to vehicle & software to pass required standards.
Latest ones, that will require removal of bad software, but should not require vehicle modifications.
Group1 cars have all likely been scrapped already.
Group 2 & 3 cars are being modified, and resold.
VW is doing this in a manner that will not flood the market, so this will take VW a while to do.
Purchase of a Group 2 & 3 TDi will come with an issue that nobody knows whether or not the more frequent cycling of the emission system
(than as originally designed) will affect system reliability over time. _________________ Good Luck
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12708 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Do you have any proof they are being resold here or is it purely speculation? |
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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oprn wrote: |
Do you have any proof they are being resold here or is it purely speculation? |
Not Speculation, I was really interested, and followed this VW fiasco in the news from day one.
Here is a sample, but I don't know Canadian Postal Zones, or where in Canada you live, so I used my US Zip code.
https://vwcpo.com/inventory/condition=used/stat=CPO
enter zip code, and sort by year.
First 4 rows of cars that showed up were ALL VW TDi.
When you pull up the car fax, these cars show buy-back ownership as
AUBURN HILLS, MI, and there is a long period of time were the mileage history show the car only traveling 200-ish miles in 18 months. _________________ Good Luck
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12708 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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Our postal code doesn't work and none of the ones that do show up are TDIs. |
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: And not one vanagon.... |
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oprn wrote: |
Our postal code doesn't work and none of the ones that do show up are TDIs. |
Dixie VW
5500 Dixie Road, Unit G Mississauga, ON L4W 4N3
Sales: 1 8883103907
Service: (844) 477-4157
https://401dixievolkswagen.ca/tdi-models-for-sale.htm _________________ Good Luck
Al |
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