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nlorntson
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| Martin Southwell wrote: |
| A gentle bend before fitting is required, as I've been finding out! |
It appears to me that a sharp bend is needed just past the bolts that attach it, then some sweeping curve.
Is this what you have found Martin?
(I'm laughing a bit because my 49 is named Martin too  ) |
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nlorntson
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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| Does anyone have a source for the rubber bumper part of the check straps? |
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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nlornston. Thank some of these people that help you once in a while. It's a nice thing to do.....
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Grant Reiling 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: front door check rods |
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i have 2 reliable sources to answer such questions...the first is a 2 book set called the Car of the Century. It covers almost all changes to the type one car from 1930 by serial number. That was compiled and offered through JT Garwood. i got my set in 1993. Are they still available?
i still have my 1952 Zwitter and play with it some. Bought it from my brother in 1993. He bought it in 1972. It is an original Hoffman car shipped to the USA in 1952. i am really into busses now and have 9 form 1960 to 1972. We are doing a 1962 sub hatch with major patina for my 16 yr old son right now. Still have some bugs though...the 52, a 54 complete pan, 62 rag, 63 sedan and a 66 Denmark car. Only the fifty two runs and drives.
My second source is an original VW Type one Spare Parts list in book form. It states on page8-35 that a check rod 111 837 249 left and 250 right were used up to ch no. 1-397022 (9/52)...L & R were the same. and a different one 111 837 251 from ch no. 397023 (10/52) to 929745 (8/55) and yet another 111 837 257 from ch no. 929746.
According to JT Garwood 1951 bodies beginning with ch. no. 1-0220472, standard and deluxe recieved a new black spring steel door check strap replacing the leather type used in 1950...that was the same body that recieved the first Wolfsburg crest and on and on the changes for 51 were listed.
Hope that answers your question.
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So mine being Ch. 1-0334 939, (March, '52) - suggests it ought to have the ROD type then right? 
...I just want to get it correct and memory fails WRT what it has/had prior to body work.
Who can confirm this?
TIA
GRR 
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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No. Strap-type. Until 10-52.
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Grant Reiling
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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| Splitdog wrote: |
| No. Strap-type. Until 10-52. |
OK thanks Jim! 
See results at KP2019. 
Happy Holidays,
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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Right on.
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Grant Reiling
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| billmetric wrote: |
| what was wrong with the straps that they needed to be "updated" ? the straps seem to be about the simplest least likely to malfunction door check to me, the rods seem to be overly complicated in comparison, I have seen people selling the rod retrofit kits as NOS in VW wrappers, never knew what the deal was before, Thanks! |
The straps eventually torn the body where it rode against the Pilar |
Interesting.  ...
Was there some kind of sagging or misalignment issue that causes interference with the door slot then?
-'cause I agree with bill metrics' post about the strap-type being the simplest, most fail-safe door check solution.
Were any of you able to determine how it failed, etc.?
I'm obviously curious as this is the direction I've been pointed towards on my car which is at mid-paint stage now>
All input is welcome and appreciated.
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We make it possible by our will.
What we imagine in our minds becomes our world. That’s just one of many things I have learned from water."
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| billmetric wrote: |
| what was wrong with the straps that they needed to be "updated" ? the straps seem to be about the simplest least likely to malfunction door check to me, the rods seem to be overly complicated in comparison, I have seen people selling the rod retrofit kits as NOS in VW wrappers, never knew what the deal was before, Thanks! |
The straps eventually torn the body where it rode against the Pilar |
Interesting. ...
Was there some kind of sagging or misalignment issue that causes interference with the door slot then?
-'cause I agree with bill metrics' post about the strap-type being the simplest, most fail-safe door check solution.
Were any of you able to determine how it failed, etc.?
I'm obviously curious as this is the direction I've been pointed towards on my car which is at mid-paint stage now>
All input is welcome and appreciated. |
From what I have discovered it is the position of the strap coming out of the Pilar. It is fine until the door swings wide open and over the years the strap begins to can opener the slot. Any of you that have a check strap car that is OG would notice it if looked at closely. When we repaired those sections on the 47 we built up the metal between the skin and the inner support so it could take the force of the strap for decades to come. 😎
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Grant Reiling
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| WrennMetallWerks wrote: |
| Grant Reiling wrote: |
| WrennMetallWerks wrote: |
| billmetric wrote: |
| what was wrong with the straps that they needed to be "updated" ? the straps seem to be about the simplest least likely to malfunction door check to me, the rods seem to be overly complicated in comparison, I have seen people selling the rod retrofit kits as NOS in VW wrappers, never knew what the deal was before, Thanks! |
The straps eventually torn the body where it rode against the Pilar |
Interesting. ...
Was there some kind of sagging or misalignment issue that causes interference with the door slot then?
-'cause I agree with bill metrics' post about the strap-type being the simplest, most fail-safe door check solution.
Were any of you able to determine how it failed, etc.?
I'm obviously curious as this is the direction I've been pointed towards on my car which is at mid-paint stage now>
All input is welcome and appreciated. |
From what I have discovered it is the position of the strap coming out of the Pilar. It is fine until the door swings wide open and over the years the strap begins to can opener the slot. Any of you that have a check strap car that is OG would notice it if looked at closely. When we repaired those sections on the 47 we built up the metal between the skin and the inner support so it could take the force of the strap for decades to come. 😎 |
Thanks for your insights Jason, much appreciated.
A bit late for beefing up metalwork now, though perhaps having things freshly renewed will ensure there's little concern (for me as the user) of fatigue or failure. 
Happy Holidays!
Grant
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jnr356
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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wasn't the change from straps to rods because one piece windows finished?the straps weren't a great design and with vents windows fitted the newer rod design was able to be implemented.
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Florian84
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:53 am Post subject: Re: When was the change from Door Check Straps to Door Check Rod |
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Hi, I came across this post while looking for parts.
For those who are looking for information, here is the spare parts catalog from September 1950.
Greeting Flo
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