California engine swap options

[shizam]

Hi All,
Been considering and researching what kind of van to get for the last couple months and have mostly settled on:
Vanagon
Weekender with pop-top
Syncro
Swapped engine

And the Swapped engine bit is what is causing some consternation since I live in California and it seems like its (very) difficult to get a swapped engine properly registered in CA on top of trying to find a van that has what I'm looking for . So I have two questions:

1) What swapped engines will generally pass registration in CA w/out too much fuss so I can narrow my search to vans that already have that and
2) Do I really need an engine swap or are any of the stock engines powerful enough to do 70mph on the highway w/out exploding or deafening the family?

NOTE: I'm not looking to have the conversion done myself as its too expensive, I'm looking to find an already converted vehicle that is registered or I can get registered hence wondering what engines will work.

... I guess there is another question which is "is the only way to get a pop-top on a weekender to get or find one modified" but that is probably a different thread.

Thanks!
Sam

[Zeitgeist 13]

Of the Cali certified engines available, only the 1.8t can provide the power to fly on the freeway AND support the taller gearing to drive @ 70mph at a reduced rpm.

Your other option with similar power/reduced rpms is a TDI swap, which is kinda an end run around the certification process, since diesels are exempt.

An '01 - '03 Eurovan Weekender/EVC will also meet those requirements, and then some.
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'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[riceye]

Not VW power. Sorry Casey!

From thesamba classifieds. Not a Syncro, but a sweet auto trans cruiser:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2210167

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[shizam]

Thanks @Zeitgeist for the insight on the 1.8T being the only option for 70mph at lower RPMs

Yea @riceeye I've been pouring over the classifieds for a while limiting it to Vanagons in California and I'm starting to think I've narrowed my search too much (Syncro, CA legal swap, non-camper pop-top). I should probably figure out how important 4x4 or engine-swap is to me and compromise as there are some good looking syncro campers and some good looking swapped weekenders

[fxr]

The 2WD vans can tackle a very large percentage of roads/tracks/off-road that might be unwise in an ordinary car - just not some of the rock-climbing a 4WD Syncro can manage.

A Subaru 2.2 (EJ22) motor with the KEP (Kennedy Engineering) kit is CA legal.
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1984 1.9l EJ22 Westy Wolfsburg Edition
Vespa GTS 300

[Ahwahnee]

Just as you might consider a 2WD to give you more to choose from - you might also (if you have not already) drive a WBX to be sure you really have to have a swapped engine.

I understand the appeal of an alternative engine but could never get on board with buying someone else's swap - just too many variables for me.

You wouldn't think it to read Samba posts but the vast majority of the Vanagon world is happily driving WBX powered vans. Your challenge will be finding a good example to compare as a clapped out poorly maintained WBX is indeed Act 5 of a Shakespearean tragedy.

I cruise all day at 66 mph in my 2.2l. I suppose there is no reason why I could not cruise at 70, just that it seems nicest at 66.

The ad shown raises another point to consider. It appears that the seller of that one recently painted it so he should have some before photos that will help you assess the prior condition and work done. Apart from that, I would be very wary of any van that is recently painted and certainly any van that has some sort of bedliner product concealing the rust-prone lower areas.

[TequilaSunSet]

Drive a waterboxer, Suby and a 1.8T. This will really define for you what is acceptable.
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1964 Euro Sunroof Bug- Gone
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[SurfaceRust]

If you get a diesel you can put whatever engine in it you want and wont have to smog it!

[11BC2]

Any engine originally offered for sale in California, and is newer than the vehicle it’s going into, is legal, provided all the required emission control systems on the new engine are installed and functional.
The key is that what ever vehicle you look at buying has the BAR swap label properly affixed to the chassis.

[bobbyblack]

I like the advice above, involving trying the available alternatives to the original WBX. The real question is weather or not you actually WANT an alternative engine to those slight mods to the original, for instance, perhaps there IS a Vanagon offered out there with a Vanistan engine, or a Rocky Jennings engine. You have a lot of things to sort out. Mostly, you have to sort out weather or not you are actually a Transplant person. You'd be a better man than I if you were able to find, and test drive the variety of "stock" or 'stock like' engines prior to deciding that the Subi, or an alternative transplant was a good idea for you. All the options offered are a hefty price, no matter what you decide on in the end. Realistically, I'd mention that you should probably find and test drive a mostly stock Vanagon with a 2.3 GW engine.

I'm the least likely person to actually tell anyone to not consider a swap over stock, or 'based on stock' engine. A good performing stock 2.1 or Rocky Jennings 2.2(+) with a little help in the final drive, or tires MIGHT just be what you'd actually LIKE. I have seen some really wild stuff stuffed into a Vanagon, and the only way you will have a clue is to drive them. I push my stock 2.1 on a 4 spd manny at 84MPH plenty. Even more, actually. I'd say it is something I do foolishly.

Check the "what tires fit" and "what wheels fit" threads, you'll find good info on what kind of performance is matched to 'upgrades'.

A stock engine with a tuned exhaust, 1.25 rockers, and perhaps an upgrade on injectors could be exactly what you'd find to your taste. But, I'd guess that you won't find that in the classified's or on CL, etc.

Get some wrenches, you're going to need them, regardless of what you end up with.

Welcome to the madness, and,

Kind Regards,

-bobby
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[Zeitgeist 13]

Careful with the "advice" you get from most of these guys, as they're mostly illiterate and not quite well...if you know what I mean.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[izzydog]

[11BC2]

I’m assuming you mean an engine swap that has an EO number already associated with it. If so, your statement is mostly correct.
Any engine, from a passenger vehicle that was originally approved for sale in California, can be swapped into another passenger vehicle, provided that the engine is newer than receiving vehicle, and all emission related equipment is installed and functional.
Have I swapped engines?
Yes. Dozens.
Into a Westy?
Not yet.
Have I talked to to the smog referee, planned out what is necessary to swap any Subaru engine...that was offered for sale in California...into a Westy, and it be smog legal?
Yes, as it’s my profession.

Y’all acting like it takes an act of God to get a different engine swapped into a Westy.

[dobryan]

[dobryan]

[markswagen]

One of the big problems now is finding a legal engine to go with the Kennedy kit.
I have 2 customers looking and or waiting for me to find an engine and ECU to go with the Kennedy kit.

I managed to find one, that's now pushing an `86 west along nicely, including my labor, the conversion kit, all the pipes, timing belt, oil pump, water pump, everything we needed, came to $8.7k

Jeff in Wisconsin did the wiring harness work, the owner is very very happy.
The second was a conversion kit purchased locally $9.5k plus my labor, that went into an `83 aircooled west, and we added power steering etc etc, owner is beyond happy.

Drive a few vans first, get a feel for what you are looking for.
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[bobbyblack]

Now it seems more likely than ever that some bright individual will make a name for themselves finding and delivering Subi 2.2's to CaliFolk. The '93 EJ22 I found when my WBX was leaky, and I vowed to Transplant if I dropped the WBX is now in my Daughters' '86 bus. I did the re-seal with the engine in... Anyway, could not pass up the '93 for $200, with 143K mi. on it. Believe it or not, they still exist. But I digress, Stock Never Goes Out Of Style. Look forward to Marcos' Stock + Turbo project going into production. The other options to boost the stock WBX are 'a-plenty' and for the $'s, you'll get your money back in no time. Also, WHEN you do things yourself, you get to know them. A Transplant done yourself will be much more likely to stay in the family. Also, a fresh rebuild on a stocker, or add Rocky Jennings' bigger, but still slip in place piston/cylinder sets, rockers, and a tuned exhaust will be a totally different experience than a tired WBX.

By the way, having gone through both WBX and EJ22 projects, I have come to appreciate the WBX much more than I did before.

One last thing, as Casey said way way up the thread: Find out if you are more of a EuroVan person. My '03 Westy made me grin, even as I got pulled over for speeding!
While true that they are a completely different animal, there are a lot of good reasons to own one.
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[elizer]

not 100% familiar with the ej22 swap but will jdm engines work?
The jdm engines usually have under 100k miles on them.
http://www.engineworld.com/product/?&cat_product=subaru

[shizam]

You all are absolutely right, trolling around these forums I had been convinced a conversion is absolutely necessary w/out even trying a stock(ish) WBX. There are several stock vans in the area for sale, I'll offer the owner a 6 pack to take it out on the highway and see if anybody bites.

[jimf909]