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T*RAV
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 Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Early Pop out Window Rivets |
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I am restoring a set of early pop-out windows and would like to know if anyone has a source for the rivets used to mount the latch to the window frame. I want to make it look as original as I can so if anyone has any ideas that would be great.
Thanks in advance for any help
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henry roberts
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i've been wondering the same thing and have yet to find someone that sells them... there has to be someone out there, but...
the only thing i have been able to think of is going to your local aerodrome, finding a shop that does aircraft repairs and asking for some round head aluminium rivits.
i'm not sure what spec rivits but was thinking of the plain aluminium. you will have to cut them to legnth and have them chromed. the head isn't the right shape but it the best i can think of.
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henry roberts
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: |
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the only problem with the mcmasters site is they don't talk about the materiel used for the rivet, aircraft rivets come in a dozen different compositions, some would probably be better for our uses than others. if you are interested there is a table about 1/5 of the way down the page. http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/hardware.html#rivet
after looking at the lists the universal head is probably better for popouts, though the extra wide on the mcmasters site could be even better if the head was trimmed down in diameter to give the step that the popout rivets have. |
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TomSimon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| There's another company called Aircraft Spruce that has all sorts of rivets, they have a website that pops up when you search Google |
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Dave
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is this the Tom Simon, from NorCal, that has that slow-ass black Fastback?
If so...
Still dead.
Still Sucks.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| henry roberts wrote: |
the only problem with the mcmasters site is they don't talk about the materiel used for the rivet, aircraft rivets come in a dozen different compositions, some would probably be better for our uses than others. if you are interested there is a table about 1/5 of the way down the page. http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/hardware.html#rivet
after looking at the lists the universal head is probably better for popouts, though the extra wide on the mcmasters site could be even better if the head was trimmed down in diameter to give the step that the popout rivets have. |
Actually mcmaster's site is quite clear what material rivet types you can choose, steel, stainless, aluminum, etc., its all there, in fact before you can order you have to spedify the material before its added to our checkout basket. |
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you might want to try http://www.crestfasteners.com as well, they seem to have just about everything, but I think you have to buy in quantity...
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henry roberts
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brezelworks, what i meant regarding the materiel was more specific than just aluminium/steel/copper etc i meant the grade of aluminium alloy the rivets were made out of.
as the different alloys have different stregnths and hardnesses i'm sure that there is one that would better suit this application (ie strong enough but still soft enough to be used without deforming the frame when you open out the head). i'd also imagine that some of the alloys would be better to chrome than others (unless the popout frames are bright dipped?)
here is a passage from the page linked in my original post with some more info on the uses of different grade rivets.
Material applications: Rivets made with 2117-T4 are the most commonly used rivets in aluminum alloy structures. The main advantage of 2117-T4 is that it may be used in the condition received without further treatment.
The 2017-T3, 2017-T31, and 2024-T4 rivets are used in aluminum alloy structures where strength higher than that of the 2117-T4 rivet is needed. See Metallic Materials and Elements for Flight Vehicle Structures (MIL-HDBK-5) for differences between the types of rivets specified here.
The 1100 rivets of pure aluminum are used for riveting nonstructural parts fabricated from the softer aluminum alloys, such as 1100, 3003, and 5052.
When riveting magnesium alloy structures, 5056 rivets are used exclusively due to their corrosion-resistant qualities in combination with the magnesium alloys.
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| henry roberts wrote: |
brezelworks, what i meant regarding the materiel was more specific than just aluminium/steel/copper etc i meant the grade of aluminium alloy the rivets were made out of.
as the different alloys have different stregnths and hardnesses i'm sure that there is one that would better suit this application (ie strong enough but still soft enough to be used without deforming the frame when you open out the head). i'd also imagine that some of the alloys would be better to chrome than others (unless the popout frames are bright dipped?)
here is a passage from the page linked in my original post with some more info on the uses of different grade rivets.
Material applications: Rivets made with 2117-T4 are the most commonly used rivets in aluminum alloy structures. The main advantage of 2117-T4 is that it may be used in the condition received without further treatment.
The 2017-T3, 2017-T31, and 2024-T4 rivets are used in aluminum alloy structures where strength higher than that of the 2117-T4 rivet is needed. See Metallic Materials and Elements for Flight Vehicle Structures (MIL-HDBK-5) for differences between the types of rivets specified here.
The 1100 rivets of pure aluminum are used for riveting nonstructural parts fabricated from the softer aluminum alloys, such as 1100, 3003, and 5052.
When riveting magnesium alloy structures, 5056 rivets are used exclusively due to their corrosion-resistant qualities in combination with the magnesium alloys.
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Aluminum and "Aluminum Alloy" are two different materials. If McMaster lists a rivet as alumimum, it is just that, aluminum. If they have an alloy product, they will list the composition spec with it.
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henry roberts
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| johnshenry wrote: |
If McMaster lists a rivet as alumimum, it is just that, aluminum. If they have an alloy product, they will list the composition spec with it. |
i guess i'm just not used to big companys taking the time to accurately describe all the stuff they sell. 
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JeeWee
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Early Pop out Window Rivets |
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after almost 12 years... I have the same question, anyone has a source for the rivet nuts which are in the early popouts?
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