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redhotgto Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:20 pm Post subject: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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ok I got this engine given to me, its been rebuilt a few years back and still turns freely ,I looked all over the internet for a clue as to what it is.
I have looked where all sites say there are numbers, right under the generator, there is nothing no numbers whatsoever stamped there.
where do I go from here?
help !!!
thanks goatboy |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51155 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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Anything near a case seam on the top?, got a camera? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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redhotgto Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 52
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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no I cant see any numbers anywhere except on the intakes, heres those numbers
12178
113 129 709 G
then on the heads?
29 vw 000.101.102
the other side is
17 vw 000.101.101 B
hope this helps some, i can take pics and i have trouble loading them but i can get it done if needed |
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16757 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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You have dual port heads....That is the end casting on the intakes. If there are no numbers under the generator/alternator stand, take a look along the side of the case near the pushrod tubes and see if you see something like AS41
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7050 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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post a picture.
ultimately, much like a small block chevy, it could have been rebuilt several times, different (stroker) crank, bigger pistons and liners, upgrade to dualport heads, no telling without looking inside.
If it has a stock carb it is reasonably likely to have a stock crank.... anything else can be swapped in an hour to just about anything.
It is not uncommon to buy aftermarket case, unstamped, or to remove the old engine number during the rebuild, especially if the spec was changed, say from a 1500 singleport to a 1600 dualport. _________________ regards
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redhotgto Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 52
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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well I cant find any more numbers yet, I will try and take some pics tomorrow and post them. I am used to pontiac engines, I know most of them by heart, as I ve built many gtos over the years so bare with me as I learn this new kind of vehicles.
thx for your help guys |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3855 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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Also check on the top edge of the seam, between the generator stand and the fuel pump (it could be obscured by grease, paint, etc). If it's there, then it was likely a Type-3 case. |
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redhotgto Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 52
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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well heres a couple pics, ive looked every darn place I can think of and cant find any numbers, anyone recognize this thing? |
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redhotgto Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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heres a couple more if ya can help !
thx guys
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Bruce Amacker Samba Member
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redhotgto Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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yes im gonna rebuild before installing, ive been told some engines are not useable in vans.
do you think this ones ok ? |
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sub-hatchtim Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2006 Posts: 2610 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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I'm willing to bet it's a type3 motor judging by the type 3 irs trans mount _________________ 58' pg/sg silo fridge westy
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redhotgto Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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ok help a guy whos stupid about this, whats a type 3 engine and can I use it in my van ? |
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b-man Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 500 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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Yes you can use it your van.
The Type III (squareback/fastback/notchback) engine uses a different cooling tin setup but it is based on the Type I (bug) engine. The Type I is essentially the same as a Type II (bus) so you can use it in your split window bus.
The engine you pictured has already been converted to a Type I/Type II configuration so you're good to go.
Easy as GTO engines which I'm also very familiar with. _________________ 1956 Dove Blue Panel
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easy e Samba Member
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faster-laster Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2004 Posts: 288 Location: Cedar Park, TX
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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For future reference, this sequence of numbers is your firing order of the cylinders. _________________ 62 Mouse Grey Deluxe
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3855 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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faster-laster wrote: |
For future reference, this sequence of numbers is your firing order of the cylinders. |
redhotgto: you see this piece here, with 1 - 4 - 3 - 2 on it? That's the generator stand. Look about 1 inch to the left of it, on the top of the case, under the grease and dirt...if it's a Type-3 case, there's a good chance the engine numbers are hiding right there. |
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redhotgto Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 52
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:39 am Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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thanks for the knowledge buys, i will look tonite again for the numbers !
may have to take off some pcs but i will get there, dont want to spend money on something that wont work.
thx
goatboy |
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sub-hatchtim Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2006 Posts: 2610 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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If you intend on running this motor I'd highly recommend ditching that oil cooler set up for an doghouse set up. For this you'll need a different shroud, dog house cooler and adapter m _________________ 58' pg/sg silo fridge westy
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redhotgto Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: i got free engine ! no numbers help !! |
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yea I am gonna run a different kind of oil cooler, this setup actually came off a field sprayer so it was in the open air while running all the time.
but thx for the advice, I need it !!! |
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