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scubasteve321 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:42 pm Post subject: Sacramento HELP |
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Hey All
I am traveling to Lake Havasu, Arizona for Buses by the Bridge and ran into a bit of a mechanical problem in Sacramento
Was wondering if anyone in the area could give me an opinion?
I have quite a bit of clearance on my 1 and 3 exhaust, even after putting the adjuster screws all the way down, brand new head on driver's side, worried I may have a cam-shaft issue but perhaps there is something I am over-looking
Perhaps I can put the performance adjuster screws on and that would close up the clearance?
Thanks so much for your time
727 265 7411
Steve
Bit more of a back-story to post;
Bus started to run bogged down
go through checks
3 and 4 plugs very fouled
clean them up
pull off valve cover
vw shop that did valves may have not tightened because as you can see nut came off lol
furthermore on the exhaust number 3 cylinder there is still quite a bit gap, about a 1/4 inch between valve and adjuster..... double checked I am on 3 and not 1
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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Hey Steve, maybe PM SGKent, as he's sorta close and retired now
The camshaft issue you mentioned Certainly seems plausable, since the 1 & 3 exhaust vales are both acting up. They share a cam lobe after all…
I see cylinder #4 with a missing valve adjuster and a loose pushrod. Fix the pushrod by loosening all the valve adjusters on that side, removing the rocker shaft (18 ft•lbs on reassembly) and getting all four pushrods to find their homes as you slide the rocker shafts back on. Once rocker stud nuts are tight, insert the valve adjuster screws finger tight and then go through a full valve adjustment procedure.
I am not seeing the typical "extra threads sticking out" that usually follows with many many valve adjustments. Is that an old picture?
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scubasteve321 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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thanks for heads up about SG hah
not sure what you mean by the extra threads sticking out, is that due to people not adjusting valves at TDC and needing to adjust when the valve is seated further down the cam?
It is a fresh picture, first time I popped off the valve cover 300 miles after I paid a pro VW Shop in town to do said procedure, among other tasks
First time I let anyone else work on my bus in over 3 years of ownership
What could have caused the adjuster screw to go flying, beside a fogotten-to-be-tightened adjuster nut?
Furthermore, could the cam on 1 and 3 have been excessively worn, quickly, due to number 4's issue?
questions questions hehe
less than 5k miles on the rebuilt engine as well
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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The only reason a valve adjuster locknut would come loose is if it not tightened properly. I have encountered a few dozen buses this year whose adjusters are over-tightened to the point of damaging the nuts. This is NOT necessary, but they have to be tightened some what!
Typically if a valve-train wear issue is present, one would have to screw the adjuster screw in or out way more than the others. Do you see any adjusters that have more threads showing than others?
Good call pulling over when you felt low power. Many, many engines could be saved if every driver did as you did.
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scubasteve321 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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Thanks for your patience and well-written replies, Robbie
I hear ya on the over-tightening, I was scolded when tightening them under the watch of a VW Pro and haven't since!
Good tip on the valve-train wear, putting that in the noggin for future reference.
All the threads at the time seemed to be about the same
Would the performance adjuster screws be of any use to my current situation in that, if, what I suspect with the cam turns out to be true, give me the extra space needed to close up the distance to the valve?
Or, is that more wishful thinking, and masking a problem that may only get worse and cause more damage? _________________ 1971 Campmobile Tin-Top
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tommu Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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If this is cam / lifter failure I'd be getting a tow home. You can't mask that with longer adjustment screws. Can you drain oil and check the strainer?
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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scubasteve321 wrote: |
Would the performance adjuster screws be of any use to my current situation in that, if, what I suspect with the cam turns out to be true, give me the extra space needed to close up the distance to the valve?
Or, is that more wishful thinking, and masking a problem that may only get worse and cause more damage? |
You've answered your own question.
Valves don't just magically adjust themselves. Serious metallurgical failures have to take place, and sticking in something longer to take up the slack is like the doctor saying "yeah your head may hurt but go play football" when you have a concussion.
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Sacramento HELP |
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start by making sure we are talking the same language. The way cylinder numbers are being tossed around I don't know what the problem is other then a loose pushrod and missing adjuster. (#4 or #1 depending on which head we are looking at.) The pushrod may be bent at this time. Let's hope not. I know that the ball end of the pushrod is buggered up. Also it looks like #4 is the one with the loose pushrod because the exhaust on the left side of the photo looks like the transmission side so that would be the drivers side head I think.
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