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Hoody
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| I recently noticed that VW Tech Bob is selling rebuilt steering boxes. Looks like you better know who did the actual rebuilding. Otherwise you are better off going with a new box. |
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vwmaniaman
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Location: Grand Rivers,KY
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| I had an old 59 splitty with a lot of play and it had a metal gasket under the 4 bolt cover that was layered. Couldn't notice it was that way till I took it off and cleaned it up. Had layers of copper approximately .005 thick. Mine had play too in the wheel and I could feel the worm moving up and down. Pulled one layer off the metal gasket and TaDah, play gone. Drove great after that. Maybe just dumb luck. Don't know or care, but thats what fixed mine. |
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mygreenbus
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| I saw where Wolfgang has rebuilt boxes for about that price. I would be interested in results from anyone who has tried one of these rebuilt boxes. Busboys has on their site only the new Brazilian ones for the late bays. |
I have had a Wolfgang box for about 3-4 years now. No problems.
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airschooled
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| mywifesghia wrote: |
| SGKent wrote: |
| I saw where Wolfgang has rebuilt boxes for about that price. I would be interested in results from anyone who has tried one of these rebuilt boxes. Busboys has on their site only the new Brazilian ones for the late bays. |
I have had a Wolfgang box for about 3-4 years now. No problems. |
For the '72? (Is that the same as the early box or the late box?)
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mygreenbus
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| mywifesghia wrote: |
| SGKent wrote: |
| I saw where Wolfgang has rebuilt boxes for about that price. I would be interested in results from anyone who has tried one of these rebuilt boxes. Busboys has on their site only the new Brazilian ones for the late bays. |
I have had a Wolfgang box for about 3-4 years now. No problems. |
For the '72? (Is that the same as the early box or the late box?) |
It is 68-72 specific.
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Desertbusman
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That's where earlies wear. And only with a couple thousandths wear on the shaft or in the housing bore it results in a hefty sounding clank whenever sttering force shifts from one direction to the other.
It's not the end of the world or time to scrap the parts. Once we run out of good condition boxes that's all we will be left with. Solution is to precision grind the shaft and bore the housing and fit a sleeve. At the same time the sleeve can be setup for improved lubrication.
Some rebuilt boxes are a joke. We once got one from CIP and it was nothing more than a repainted junkyard trashed box with new paint. First turn and it locked up tight. Fortunately is was still in the driveway
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skills@eurocarsplus
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^^^^ i was trying to find that thread. that rebuilt box was friggen scary.
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Hoody
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| I have seen a LOT more NOS boxes for sale over the years for early Bays but virtually none for the late bays.When I see a "New" box for sale for 150-200 dollars that should be a HUGE red flag to the buyer. And if there is a core charge and they are calling it "New" common sense should dictate what their definition of new is. My understanding is EIS parts and Wolfgang have good reputations based on friend's experiences with both of them. There are "New" boxes being made in Spain.....supposedly. The bottom line is to form a relationship with purveyors who have treated you well and know what they are talking about. And stick to those purveyors. Those that surf the Internet searching for the cheapest price for a part are not doing this hobby any favors...in fact they are destroying it! |
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Wasted youth
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Wasted youth
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I am aware of the age of this thread, and equally aware that Steve is still around. I have a few questions:
What are the SKF part numbers on those boxes?
How did you select the correct new ball bearings?
http://kentcomputer.com/77VW/zgear.jpg
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Someone asked me tonight, in a round about way how do you rebuild a late box. What about parts?
Let me be really clear on this. You need a good unworn box to begin with, preferably something off a low mileage bus that has been sitting on a shelf for 20 years and needs new seals because they have hardened. When I was looking for a good box for this restoration, I threw away quite a few boxes because they were too worn when they were opened up - mostly due to being run bone dry.
Once you find that low mileage box and you want to rebuild it, bearings and seals are available. Even a middle mileage box can often be rebuilt if it has not been run dry. If you see hollowing out on the gears or roller they are too far gone to be a good core to rebuild. Look for another. If you aren't up to it remember that a steering component failure can cause accidents and even death so don't take on a task you aren't qualified for. |
So....
The luxury of finding a low mileage box isn't generally possible. Anything we need to think about before taking one of these apart as far as order of alignment, parts positioning getting confused, reassembly traps, etc? |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: steering opinion |
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| The luxury of finding a low mileage box isn't generally possible. Anything we need to think about before taking one of these apart as far as order of alignment, parts positioning getting confused, reassembly traps, etc? |
I'm assuming you haven't seen this?
http://www.itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtopic.php?t=11096
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Wasted youth
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I saw just the title, but my 1973 steering box is not the same, it is like Steve's... so I did not read it. I will take a second look.
Edit: It appears that article focuses on the early steering box. |
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Tcash
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Thanks Bob - This really is the Holy Grail for Bays. Don't know how you do it but we need to send you to Washington to teach them how to procure things.
This one was made in 1982 West Germany by ZF so it post dates the last German Bay ever made made. They don't fit Vanagons as they are rack and pinion. No question that it is NOS. Bet these are the last two in the world or close to it.
Cant't thank you enough for sharing.
I'll take reading on the torque to spin and thru center for a NOS unit, then post here as soon as I can.
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Did you ever post a turning torque for this box?
Thank you
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type36
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Old thread but, Here is an interesting write up by a local who rebuilt a late RHD Bay box and documented, he also has continued to rebuild, I just bought one as mine was corroded internally, absolutely top notch rebuild.... Process would be the same for the LHD box.
https://forums.kombiclub.com/threads/79-bay-worm-and-roller-steering-box-repair.50327/
I also made the output shaft dust seal last night so I could keep the road grime off the oil seal as I couldn't find anyone who sold them, not exact but fits nicely and will work..
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