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busey Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:37 am Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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Thx for the quick responses! In the end, much of it is going to depend on how the car is driven. _________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby! |
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busey Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2016 Posts: 420 Location: Sun City Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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busey wrote: |
clooney wrote: |
are they required for a 180hp type 1 mostly street use, occasional trips to the strip.
how strong are the stock short axles before they give way?
Weddle has SAW and "Made in USA" axles, both almost similarly priced. |
On that note in bold, would a stock diff / 3.88 R&P fresh rebuilt trans with stock internals benefit from Sway-Aways OR will something inside the case break first anyway making the adding of race axles a non factor??
Also, someone mentioned that while replacing to race axles might as well install a 300m input shaft from Weddle at the same time. which is the input shaft, if its labeled differently on that photo?
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To swap out axles i'm imagining i dont have to go farther than #14 with a new #15 gasket (on the drawing). in other words, i can R&R the axles without having to remove the 'Final Drive Cover"??? _________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby! |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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busey wrote: |
To swap out axles i'm imagining i dont have to go farther than #14 with a new #15 gasket (on the drawing). in other words, i can R&R the axles without having to remove the 'Final Drive Cover"??? |
That is correct, that you do not need to remove the final drive cover #16. I would test fit your axle spade into the side gear with the fulcrum plates you have to make sure they don’t bind. You should be able to slide a .004-.005 feeler gauge in between a fulcrum, and the axle spade for oil clearance. |
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busey Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2016 Posts: 420 Location: Sun City Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:07 am Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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[email protected] wrote: |
busey wrote: |
To swap out axles i'm imagining i dont have to go farther than #14 with a new #15 gasket (on the drawing). in other words, i can R&R the axles without having to remove the 'Final Drive Cover"??? |
That is correct, that you do not need to remove the final drive cover #16. I would test fit your axle spade into the side gear with the fulcrum plates you have to make sure they don’t bind. You should be able to slide a .004-.005 feeler gauge in between a fulcrum, and the axle spade for oil clearance. |
Awesome Thx for the info! _________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby! |
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busey Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2016 Posts: 420 Location: Sun City Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:23 am Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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Currently in the process of an axles swap. I have yet to remove the snap rings holding the axles in 2 transmissions. . Is there a reason why the SwayAways have hardly no in and out play as compared to the stock axles? I can pull in and out on the stock axles what seems like at least half an inch _________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby! |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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busey wrote: |
Currently in the process of an axles swap. I have yet to remove the snap rings holding the axles in 2 transmissions. . Is there a reason why the SwayAways have hardly no in and out play as compared to the stock axles? I can pull in and out on the stock axles what seems like at least half an inch |
So, you're taking a set of SAW axles from one trans, and installing them in another that currently has stock axles installed in it? Possible that a fulcrum plate has slipped behind the end of the SAW axle? The SAW axle may have a little thicker spade that would limit movement a little, but they should move about the same. |
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busey Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2016 Posts: 420 Location: Sun City Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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[email protected] wrote: |
busey wrote: |
Currently in the process of an axles swap. I have yet to remove the snap rings holding the axles in 2 transmissions. . Is there a reason why the SwayAways have hardly no in and out play as compared to the stock axles? I can pull in and out on the stock axles what seems like at least half an inch |
So, you're taking a set of SAW axles from one trans, and installing them in another that currently has stock axles installed in it? Possible that a fulcrum plate has slipped behind the end of the SAW axle? The SAW axle may have a little thicker spade that would limit movement a little, but they should move about the same. |
yes, the SAW axles trans has been sitting un-used for several years and probably looking at several more years before i even got close to maybe using it. so F-it, why not use them pricey axles, i have them. I'll make sure to pay close attention to the fulcrum plates. thx
and maybe a bit longer spade as its the in-out play with the very noticeable difference?? I should have them all out and compare them side-by-side this coming week. _________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby!
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busey Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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[email protected] wrote: |
busey wrote: |
Currently in the process of an axles swap. I have yet to remove the snap rings holding the axles in 2 transmissions. . Is there a reason why the SwayAways have hardly no in and out play as compared to the stock axles? I can pull in and out on the stock axles what seems like at least half an inch |
So, you're taking a set of SAW axles from one trans, and installing them in another that currently has stock axles installed in it? Possible that a fulcrum plate has slipped behind the end of the SAW axle? The SAW axle may have a little thicker spade that would limit movement a little, but they should move about the same. |
or a longer spade possibly since its the in-out movement is where the difference is very noticeable?? i'll have them all out next week and compare them side by side. _________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby! |
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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The thickness I’m thinking of is where the triangular side of the spade tapers down to the round portion of the axle shaft. That’s about the only thing I could see that would be dimensionally different that would contact the thrust washer differently. I have a couple pics of a stock/Empi axle that aren’t really side by side same angle comparisons, but a half inch difference in movement is most likely a fulcrum plate.
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busey Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2016 Posts: 420 Location: Sun City Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: swing axle race axles |
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Got the axles out. Once i loosened everything up a bit, all 4 axles had the same amount of in-out play in the trans. The sway away does have a slightly fatter spade. I slipped the indicator over the stock showing how much thinner the stock axle is in the middle. I should note the stock axle tapers and thins about another 1/16th towards the spade and tapers thicker towards the threads. (The swayaway does not taper at all.)
_________________ No turning back now, "Its Blow thru or No thru" baby! |
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