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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

We rented widebands when they cost $2000-2500 to buy. Now they are $250-400, so there's not much point in renting a tool which will be used over and over again.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

That’s logical. Maybe this question is best for your site but I’ll ask anyway.
Do you think the 8’ cable is sufficient for a Ghia dash or glovebox mount? The 18’ cable seems a bit much. Can one “extend” the 8’ cable or is there a special sender wire in there somewhere that precludes this?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

The 18' was perfect for my bug. By the time you run it where you want, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

I sure don't regret buying one! You will get more performance out of it than a lot of other bling items that are twice the price.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

Here is one I use. It never needs calibration and it has worked for 4 yrs on my buggy with the same O2 sensor.
Some people burn up sensors like cigarettes....... Wink

https://www.plxdevices.com/Wideband-O2-Touch-Screen-Multi-Guage-p/897346002719.htm

It can be daisy chained with other sensors if desired and will display voltage without anything extra so you can replace your voltmeter gauge if you have one. Fit's in a standard gauge opening.
I have a EGT daisy chained to it right now.

The wire running from the O2 sensor in back uses a mini molex plug into the controller which is easy to get and you can build your own extension or else get some matching gauge wire and just cut and extend it.
You can see the plug in the video picture.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

I run the PLX as well but with the Bluetooth adapter, so my phone is the gauge and no need to run long wires to the front. $170...

https://www.plxdevices.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=897346002870
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

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I run the PLX as well but with the Bluetooth adapter, so my phone is the gauge and no need to run long wires to the front. $170...

https://www.plxdevices.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=897346002870


Can you add a rpm gauge to that bluetooth adapter?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

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I run the PLX as well but with the Bluetooth adapter, so my phone is the gauge and no need to run long wires to the front. $170...

https://www.plxdevices.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=897346002870


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Multigauge looks really convenient.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

I watch that Gauge more then the tach Laughing I have a MTX-L Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

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First drive with the initial tune, was lean. I have been running these jet settings for a while . And it sucks.
.47 idle jets=16 AFR at idle.
1/32th pedal throttle got me, 16.8 to 17.3, AFR.
WFO, 10.2 with the accel pump in play. After that at WFO on the hiway. AFR was 11.0 sustained.
Cruise was, 16.8 to 17.3 at 1/32 throttle position.

Jet stacks removed. Acell pump backed all the way off.
AFR at idle was 16.7 - 17.8.
2K RPM AFR was 18 - 19. The engine was completely gutless.

I upped the idle jets to .50.
Idle was 13.0 - 13.6. @950RPM
2K RPM read 17.4 - 18.0 AFR. I had better response to throttle inputs.

Put the stacks back in with a huge main jet(1.62) 180 AC jet.
Idle was 13.3 - 14.6 @ 950 RPM.
1/32 pedal @ 2500 RPM AFR was 16.3 - 17.1.
WFO AFR was 8.9.

Installed a 190 AC jet.
Idle was 14.6 - 17.1 AFR
Main jet is now 1.30. Cruise at 2500 RPM gave me 15.0 - 16.5 AFR.
I didn't note the WFO reading as It's difficult to read a gauge, tach and watch the road when things are happening rather quickly.

Accel pumps are now in play. I adjusted them just until the linkage stopped hanging up on the unthreaded edge of the pump shafts where the springs ride.

At every jet change I ran thru the LBI. Carb sync was verified before I started the jet swaps. The timing was verified via my laptop connected to the
MS-Digital data port.

Driving impressions are fairly good. With the .47 idle jets. The engine had a studdery feeling.
With the .50 idle jets and 190AC jets. I get smooth throttle response and a smooth cruise.

I'm gonna play a little with it today. Between rain storms.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

I want to reinforce something that the experienced guys keep saying on this thread.

Do not trust that the size marked on jets is what they actually are - even if you bought them new!
When I was tuning the idle curcuit on my carbs nearly a year ago I started with 55s - too rich, 52s - better, 50s - worse! What the heck? Oh well - 47s - big change and about right. Done!

Now winter is here and it acts a wee bit lean(no surprise)so lets put the 50s back it then.

Wait a minute... check them first! Out comes the miniture drill bits, find a size that fits these 50s and guess what? The drill bit is too big to fit both the 52s AND the 55s! The 50s are actually larger that the 55s! Now I look at them and they are not new, they are a bit too dark, as in tarnished so although they all came from the same supplier at the same time they were not new nor sized as marked. Lesson learned.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

Can I just ask this. If I want the mains on my 40 dells to come in early I would fit what number air jet. I have a 180 at the moment. My guess is a bigger number like a 210 which is more air. More air get the fuel to emulsify quicker and starts the mains working sooner
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

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Can I just ask this. If I want the mains on my 40 dells to come in early I would fit what number air jet. I have a 180 at the moment. My guess is a bigger number like a 210 which is more air. More air get the fuel to emulsify quicker and starts the mains working sooner
In my experience whether that will work enough depends on how big the lean hole is. I went up to 220 (could have been 240) trying to run 34 vents with fuel saving small idles but in the end coming down a vent size was the only way. I could have fitted bigger idles + bigger main airs but that gave me very rich idle jet action right through it's range of throttle.

If you want to borrow some 200 and 220 (I might have 240 too) to try I'm just down the road in Rufford.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

GARRICK.CLARK wrote:
Can I just ask this. If I want the mains on my 40 dells to come in early I would fit what number air jet. I have a 180 at the moment. My guess is a bigger number like a 210 which is more air. More air get the fuel to emulsify quicker and starts the mains working sooner



Double check your float height , if you raise the float height it will also bring the mains in earlier .
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

I've got the floats set right. I did have a problem with them being to high, it raised the level of fuel too close to the aux fuel outlet. Zedd I might take up your offer on the AIR'S. Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

Is it possible to see on a DIGITAL AFR gauge when the idles finish and when the mains start,When all is done. In the past all I've seen is rich LOW and RICHER at WOT Surprised .
I'm looking at cruising fairly lean 15's with a richer WOT. 12.8.
I cant wait to get this bug finally tuned right.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

GARRICK.CLARK wrote:
Is it possible to see on a DIGITAL AFR gauge when the idles finish and when the mains start,When all is done. In the past all I've seen is rich LOW and RICHER at WOT Surprised .
I'm looking at cruising fairly lean 15's with a richer WOT. 12.8.
I cant wait to get this bug finally tuned right.


My AFR seems to do the exact opposite.. the car runs strong and "feels" fine, but it idles and runs at low throttle between 12 and 16 AFR but reads "AIR" when heavier on the throttle and higher speeds.. : shrugs : Question

Edit: i'm an idiot, dunno what i was thinking.. it's reversed.. half throttle and lower and i'm lean/air, half throttle and higher and i bounce between 13 and 19 afr..

I haven't touched my carbs in months, but iirc, i'm jetted in such a way that it should be pig rich...

Like i said, it runs strong "feels" good, and isn't popping or backfiring, so i haven't wanted to mess with it. But i do have some jet doctors on my bench and trying to find cash for the cb weber "upgrade" kit for the spray bar.. once i do that, i'll tear em apart, clean em again, and re jet as needed..
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

I could make a difference to my afr readings by adjusting the idle enrichment screw at all speeds during idle progression cruise. I found that my engine liked to idle a bit rich (12.5 or so) so I put in smaller idle jets to compensate when on progression. Flat road freeway driving my idles were done between 65 & 70mph and the mains would start to come in. For me, the dreaded lean spot was only taken care of when I dropped the venturi down a size. Main air jets made very little change to when the mains came on. The only time I could get the mains to come in early enough, with the larger venturi, was when I ran no air jet at all. They did, however, make a huge difference in the top end of the rpm range. I got a best freeway mpg of 31mpg on a 1.5hr drive to Anahiem (31.3 there and 30.8 back).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

That's a good mpg ya got there.
When I'm done with idles and mains I'm expecting no lean hole. Theses 40 dells have allways been rich. I'm using 34 vents. I'll try the 36 vents I have when I'm finished tuning.
I'm sure the float level is right. I no that makes a big difference. The fuel level in the bowl and emulsion tube wells need to be just right.
If you lower the fuel level in the bowl it makes it harder for the mains to start working, as well as fitting larger vents.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Wideband Results Reply with quote

tattooed_pariah wrote:
GARRICK.CLARK wrote:
Is it possible to see on a DIGITAL AFR gauge when the idles finish and when the mains start,When all is done. In the past all I've seen is rich LOW and RICHER at WOT Surprised .
I'm looking at cruising fairly lean 15's with a richer WOT. 12.8.
I cant wait to get this bug finally tuned right.


My AFR seems to do the exact opposite.. the car runs strong and "feels" fine, but it idles and runs at low throttle between 12 and 16 AFR but reads "AIR" when heavier on the throttle and higher speeds.. : shrugs : Question

Edit: i'm an idiot, dunno what i was thinking.. it's reversed.. half throttle and lower and i'm lean/air, half throttle and higher and i bounce between 13 and 19 afr..

I haven't touched my carbs in months, but iirc, i'm jetted in such a way that it should be pig rich...

Like i said, it runs strong "feels" good, and isn't popping or backfiring, so i haven't wanted to mess with it. But i do have some jet doctors on my bench and trying to find cash for the cb weber "upgrade" kit for the spray bar.. once i do that, i'll tear em apart, clean em again, and re jet as needed..


The CB spray bar upgrade is crap. Stay away from it or you'll be chasing your tail around with issues due to it. The IDF does not need it.
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