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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:08 pm Post subject: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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I just picked up a 60 Ghia and need to rewire it completely but can't seem to find any 60 Ghia wiring kits.
Any suggestions?? |
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2931 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Call Wiring Works and ask them. It's their looms that most sell. _________________ 1971 1302LS Convertible (RHD) owned since '74
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1965 Karmann Ghia Coupe - under restoration
1966 Fiat 1500 Cabrio (with 1600 Twin cam)
1952 Citroen TA 11BL |
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2867 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Mrfun2fly wrote: |
I just picked up a 60 Ghia and need to rewire it completely but can't seem to find any 60 Ghia wiring kits.
Any suggestions?? |
If I knew then what I know now I would never have re-installed my Ghia's original wiring. I would do what Darrel did: Install a modern and tidy wiring loom. Cheaper, and more reliable.
Unless you line the crow's nest original look. Which is what I have. Nearly burnt my car out due to a short. But that's another story. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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kiwighia68 wrote: |
Mrfun2fly wrote: |
I just picked up a 60 Ghia and need to rewire it completely but can't seem to find any 60 Ghia wiring kits.
Any suggestions?? |
If I knew then what I know now I would never have re-installed my Ghia's original wiring. I would do what Darrel did: Install a modern and tidy wiring loom. Cheaper, and more reliable.
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What modern and tidy wiring loom options do I have? |
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xzener Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2006 Posts: 1777
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Don't throw away your old harness until you have the new one installed. Had the same issue as Kiwighia68. Fried a wire trying to figure out my wiper wiring... Luckily still had the wire from my original harness as a replacement. _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2867 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Mrfun2fly wrote: |
kiwighia68 wrote: |
Mrfun2fly wrote: |
I just picked up a 60 Ghia and need to rewire it completely but can't seem to find any 60 Ghia wiring kits.
Any suggestions?? |
If I knew then what I know now I would never have re-installed my Ghia's original wiring. I would do what Darrel did: Install a modern and tidy wiring loom. Cheaper, and more reliable.
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What modern and tidy wiring loom options do I have? |
I'm sure Darrel will provide you with a few links. You have more than one option in the US but I'm 15 time zones away and we have NO choices down here. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
Resto completed Dec 2015 |
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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kiwighia68 wrote: |
Mrfun2fly wrote: |
kiwighia68 wrote: |
Mrfun2fly wrote: |
I just picked up a 60 Ghia and need to rewire it completely but can't seem to find any 60 Ghia wiring kits.
Any suggestions?? |
If I knew then what I know now I would never have re-installed my Ghia's original wiring. I would do what Darrel did: Install a modern and tidy wiring loom. Cheaper, and more reliable.
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What modern and tidy wiring loom options do I have? |
I'm sure Darrel will provide you with a few links. You have more than one option in the US but I'm 15 time zones away and we have NO choices down here. |
I would like to chat w this Darrel guy, how do I connect with him?
Thank you! |
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2867 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Mrfun2fly wrote: |
kiwighia68 wrote: |
Mrfun2fly wrote: |
kiwighia68 wrote: |
Mrfun2fly wrote: |
I just picked up a 60 Ghia and need to rewire it completely but can't seem to find any 60 Ghia wiring kits.
Any suggestions?? |
If I knew then what I know now I would never have re-installed my Ghia's original wiring. I would do what Darrel did: Install a modern and tidy wiring loom. Cheaper, and more reliable.
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What modern and tidy wiring loom options do I have? |
I'm sure Darrel will provide you with a few links. You have more than one option in the US but I'm 15 time zones away and we have NO choices down here. |
I would like to chat w this Darrel guy, how do I connect with him?
Thank you! |
Darrel is my Go-to Ghia guy and this is his own Ghia link on theSamba:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481184
Send him a PM.
There are photos on his thread showing his wiring set-up, by the way, but I'm not clever enough to find them, so I can't help you there. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 3907 Location: In Molinya Orbit
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Just a suggestion to avoid burning out wiring during the assembly stage. Remove the battery by unplugging the B+ wire at the regulator. Then, connect a battery charger there instead. That will provide enough voltage and adequate current so that just about everything will work, excepting the horns and starter motor. If you wire things incorrectly there isn't anywhere near as much power available from a battery that can melt things and cause havoc. Build and test as you go until you are sure it all passes muster before finally re-connecting the Battery at the end of the job.
Nicholas _________________ '66 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet...
'65 Porsche 356C Coupe...
2005 Mecedes Benz C180 Kompressor Estate
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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sputnick60 wrote: |
Just a suggestion to avoid burning out wiring during the assembly stage. Remove the battery by unplugging the B+ wire at the regulator. Then, connect a battery charger there instead. That will provide enough voltage and adequate current so that just about everything will work, excepting the horns and starter motor. If you wire things incorrectly there isn't anywhere near as much power available from a battery that can melt things and cause havoc. Build and test as you go until you are sure it all passes muster before finally re-connecting the Battery at the end of the job.
Nicholas |
Good idea, thank you!! |
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TRS63 Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2017 Posts: 992 Location: Stuttgart - Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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If you find someone providing a new (quality) harness conform to original for a 60 model, please share the link! 60 is a really specific year and until now, I did not find any supplier for the harness..
Antoine |
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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TRS63 wrote: |
If you find someone providing a new (quality) harness conform to original for a 60 model, please share the link! 60 is a really specific year and until now, I did not find any supplier for the harness..
Antoine |
I sure will but can't help to wonder what the difference is between the other models? What is so specific about the 60? Seems like one could take a 61 and do the same??
Any thoughts? |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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c21darrel wrote: |
Wiring kinda depends on what type of restoration you plan on.
If building stock, pretty much need to use a stock wiring harness. Call Bob Nodvik in Pedro. 310.519.8147. Hes getting older and these wont be around forever.
If more of a Resto-mod there are plenty of aftermarket wire harness available. Off the top of my head...Rebel, American Autowiring,...I have a Watsons wiring Kit. Info in my build thread.
Looks like they are selling Rebel now.
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product-category/wiring/wiring-kits/page/2/ |
Personally when it comes to wiring I don't care if its stock or restomod as long as it works and is reliable. However I do like the clean look of less spiderweb wiring. I'll call Pedro and chat it up and also look at the other suggested options.
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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berliner Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2006 Posts: 440 Location: west coast canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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I put a Wiring Works harness in my 60 beetle.I spoke to the man who makes them,he asked"screw terminals?" and a few other things I hadn't thought about.When it came it was flawless;I would never buy anything else.The harness for my 64 Ghia was in nice shape,so it went back in,but first I cleaned the terminals really well and put a tiny solder joint across the connectors,bypassing the crimp joints that have too much resistance due to age/corrosion.We did the same thing on the tail light bulb holders,getting past the grungy rivets.Works good!I have lights! _________________ I'm part of the problem. |
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Not sure yet but probably gonna end up using the 61-65 Ghia harness and modify/make up whatever needed along the way lol |
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herndog67 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2017 Posts: 37 Location: carson,ca
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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bob in pedro will make you a 60 harness for arounf $600,i just talked to him last week about a harness for my 60 |
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Mrfun2fly Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2015 Posts: 548 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Well, please dont' be haters but as much as I love Bob at Wiring Works and his work is top notch, $600 it just to much for me
I thought about going w/the 63 wiring kit but when it was all said and done, I'm using the EMPI 9466 Wiring Kit for $60 and so far it super simple, wires just about everything needed except the interior light which is simple to just add a wire to the provided fuse box and I had to extend the length of some of the wires that were a tad short.
So when it's all said and done, I'm into the Empi kit for about $75
PS: Please don't hate me for going rouge |
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Rewiring a 60 Ghia?? |
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Mrfun2fly wrote: |
Well, please dont' be haters but as much as I love Bob at Wiring Works and his work is top notch, $600 it just to much for me
I thought about going w/the 63 wiring kit but when it was all said and done, I'm using the EMPI 9466 Wiring Kit for $60 and so far it super simple, wires just about everything needed except the interior light which is simple to just add a wire to the provided fuse box and I had to extend the length of some of the wires that were a tad short.
So when it's all said and done, I'm into the Empi kit for about $75
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I hate to burst your rebel bubble, but ...
... feeling that the $600 "top notch" reproduction part is just too expensive and proving you're a cheapskate by half-assing the job with a discount part is not "rouge" behavior for a vintage VW owner - why, it's practically de rigueur!
Just kidding.
If your own time really is worth nothing, then any extra time spent trying to cobble in some generic wiring kit won't really count toward the total cost of the job.
As far as any future hit in overall resale value that your Ghia may suffer because its wiring isn't "stock", well that will only come in to play if you actually ever sell it.
Seriously, ... just kidding.
Whatever you do to your own Karmann Ghia is your own business, and if it helps to get it back on the road so that you can enjoy it on a regular basis then all the better. |
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