TDI (PD engine) swap: DMF vs SMF?

[beach_creature]

Hi. I’m looking for clarification here.

I have an AAZ with deisel 5 speed. Currently running the stock 215mm diesel clutch.

After reading a lot on the matter, I should really be swapping to a DMF. (I have destroyed one tranny already)

Looks like the LUK 17 050, seen here
https://www.idparts.com/luk-17-050-clutch-kit-p-740.html
Is the Way to go?

But in order to do this, I need to change the stock Vanagon diesel input shaft to one for a TDI? (Is this a stock TDI Input shaft? Or is this a custom shaft designed for the Vanagon, that is compatible with the TDI DMF?)
As seen here
https://www.vw-t3-bus-shop.de/en/clutch-dorn/gearb...ion-to-org
Or
https://www.brickwerks.co.uk/t3-parts/engine-conve...3-tdi.html

Then I need to make some clearance in the Vanagon deisel bellhousing to accommodate the DMF?

And Brickwerks offers this DMF kit
https://www.brickwerks.co.uk/t3-parts/engine-conve...i-gti.html
Does this also require the TDI input shaft? Or does it work with the stock diesel input shaft?

And lastly, do all the options use the stock Vanagon release bearing? Or does the release bearing in the LUK DMF kit get used if using that kit?

Thanks!
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84 Westy
1.9TD AAZ
5spd manual with Locking Peloquin TBD

[AndyBees]

There is some good discussion going on in this Thread about DMF, SMF, trashed trannies, etc. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=712958&highlight=


The OE style Throw-out bearing for the Vanagon is what is used with the DMF or any flywheel/pressure plate/disc combo you might stick in there...
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'84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003.

[?Waldo?]

[AndyBees]

But, you can use the OE pilot shaft if you substitute the clutch disc that comes with the DMF kit with the Vanagon OE clutch disc.
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'84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003.

[beach_creature]

[beach_creature]

[mathieux46]

Hi,

Would it be possible to install a DMF with a Kennedy adaptor plate? When I tried to fit the DMF that was on the ALH I used, the ring gear seemed too large on diameter to fit with adaptor plate and the back of the flywheel interfered with the adaptor.

Thanks

Mat

[Franklinstower]

I used the luk 17-050 in my pd wagon. It held a lot more power than the stock dmf on my malone tuned wagon.
They were $180 on parts geek when I bought it.
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'89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug

[beach_creature]

And the flywheel cover plate needs to be changed as well? I can’t remember what’s in there now as stock, but Brickwerks and Bernd Jager both have a TDI cover plate.
Bernd Jager is one piece, Brickwerks is two piece. They both have slightly different shape.

https://www.vw-t3-bus-shop.de/en/abdeckblech-zum-schwungrad-aus-edelstahl

https://www.brickwerks.co.uk/t3-parts/engine-conve...3-tdi.html

Does anyone have experience with this?

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84 Westy
1.9TD AAZ
5spd manual with Locking Peloquin TBD

[r.e.wing_fc3s]

What starter are folks using with the factory diesel bellhousing and dmf?
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Reference Automotive: NW Washingtons Vanagon Specialist. (360)366-6965. referenceautomotive.com

[uberaudi]

The tdi starter with the adapter plate are the obvious choice. I use the same setup in my ABA/DMF/Diesel Bellhousing and it's great, and I'd imagine its completely necessary with a tdi.
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'84 Adventurewagen 1Z Tdi, '89 Tintop ABA, and a 86 Syncro tintop WBX.

[old_man]

For the longest time I used the stock diesel starter. I eventually changed to a TDI starter when the old starter started producing more smoke than I cared for. As far as performance there as no discernible difference between the the two.

TDI + adapter (get the correct one) is the way to go if you are shopping for a new starter as the TDI starter can be found anywhere including junk yards. If your old diesel starter still works I see nothing wrong with continuing to use it.

If you keep the old diesel one it will need a bit of 'clearencing' with an angle grinder.

[ALIKA T3]

I would say do it right the first time, Tdi starter with adapter, starter relay and never look back.
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[dubbified]

I was watching videos on DMF tech.. and wanted to pass on something from Audi about that low rpm use of a engine is vibration based on the 4-3-2-1 cycle, as they say, fires in banks 1/4, 3/2, at 180 degree offsets creating that vibration, because there is a window where the crank sees change in speed during lower idles, where power is created like in a TDI, or FI they measured the jolts to the crankshaft.

I really liked the approach they use to explain how Dual mass with centrifugal pendulum absorbers work.


Link


I am curious if the available DMFs for this use the same approach?

I'm trying to figure out what DMF to buy for my 091 4 speed swap.. I'm coming from Auto.


I did some searching and found out LUK does make one, but Im unsure if the LUK version I found was the same thing.

Here is the Whitepapers on that pendulum version flywheel,
https://oscaro.media/catalog/images/pdf/6/415056710se_verb_en.pdf


But, I'm unsure if this LUK version (supposedly fits under the diesel bellhousing) uses the same technology?

https://www.idparts.com/luk-clutch-kit-038105264e-050-p-740.html