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don.ville Samba YardMan
Joined: February 07, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:37 am Post subject: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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Anybody know where I can get part #4 in the picture below?
I tried using gasket sealant but maybe I did not apply it correctly.
Any others suggestions for sealing this transmission side plate for the axle tubes?
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don.ville Samba YardMan
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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This style of axle tube retainer is different that the one pictured below..
Which happens to be on the driver's side of my bus, and does not leak!
What years had these different style retainers? _________________
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don.ville Samba YardMan
Joined: February 07, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Dougy Dee Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2004 Posts: 1668 Location: Niagara Region, CANADA
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: |
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The ones I use are 4-3/4" ID x 5" OD x 1/8" Dia. Buna-N
I get these locally from Fastenal. P/N 0480830 |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Less is more in the sealant department. Way too much in them there images. Better to lightly finger paint sealant onto the paper gaskets. Most of all MAKE SURE you have the correct amount of gaskets for shims!! Too little of play and the axle tube will crack, too much play and the retaining studs can get pulled out of the transaxle. Neither result you want to deal with on the side of the road if you even get there safely..... _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2008 Posts: 3929 Location: ohio
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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What Ive read on here is make sure the flange is FLAT and I do mean flat all the way around it. Same as when reinstalling an oil pan. Tap the area around the holes back down flat if they are raised due to too much fastener torque. Thought I had this area conquered last time I did this and it still leaks but I didnt check to see if the flange was perfectly flat. Im using the colored empi boots and next time I will use F loads of sealant on the boots and finger it on the gaskets after I massage the holes. _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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Campy Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 4933 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've always started out with three paper gaskets so one or two can be removed (ripped off) if there is too much play (better than the alternative of adding a gasket, which means either removing the tube to add one or cutting one and adding it). With an unwarped plate, I spread a thin layer of black Permatex gasket sealer, the type that comes in a tube, over the gaskets. When tightening the nuts (or bolts, I can't remember), I go back and forth a little at a time, like I would when tightening nuts on a cylinder head, to avoid warping the plate. I have never had a problem over the last 25 years using this method.
The axle boot is a dust cover and it is normal to have a little bit of oil get past the bell end of the axle tube and the "daisy" next to it, and into the axle boot. _________________ Don't worry; be happy. (Baba) |
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nz fish Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2015 Posts: 37 Location: WELLINGTON NEW ZEALAN
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Campy wrote: |
I've always started out with three paper gaskets so one or two can be removed (ripped off) if there is too much play (better than the alternative of adding a gasket, which means either removing the tube to add one or cutting one and adding it). With an unwarped plate, I spread a thin layer of black Permatex gasket sealer, the type that comes in a tube, over the gaskets. When tightening the nuts (or bolts, I can't remember), I go back and forth a little at a time, like I would when tightening nuts on a cylinder head, to avoid warping the plate. I have never had a problem over the last 25 years using this method.
The axle boot is a dust cover and it is normal to have a little bit of oil get past the bell end of the axle tube and the "daisy" next to it, and into the axle boot. |
.....hi i have an AO gear box out of a 70+ karman is it right i dont need the o ring (4) ...and how much is to much/to little play when i put the paper gasket in ...cheers fish |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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nz fish wrote: |
.....hi i have an AO gear box out of a 70+ karman is it right i dont need the o ring (4) ...and how much is to much/to little play when i put the paper gasket in ...cheers fish |
You want just enough gaskets so as to allow the axle tubes to flex up and down with very little drag. Any looser and the axle can pull out the retaining studs. Too tight and the axle tube can be forced to flex and crack open. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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nz fish Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2015 Posts: 37 Location: WELLINGTON NEW ZEALAN
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
nz fish wrote: |
.....hi i have an AO gear box out of a 70+ karman is it right i dont need the o ring (4) ...and how much is to much/to little play when i put the paper gasket in ...cheers fish |
You want just enough gaskets so as to allow the axle tubes to flex up and down with very little drag. Any looser and the axle can pull out the retaining studs. Too tight and the axle tube can be forced to flex and crack open. |
....yea i just tried it and 2 gaskets and tight 4 to slack 3 seams ok ....thanks do you know about the o ring ?? ...cheers fish |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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nz fish wrote: |
....yea i just tried it and 2 gaskets and tight 4 to slack 3 seams ok ....thanks do you know about the o ring ?? ...cheers fish |
Know about what is mentioned at the top of this page.. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Campy Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 4933 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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What O-ring? I don't remember using any O-rings on the old bus transaxles I was assembling, over the years. In my bus Clymer shop manual there is nothing listed.l _________________ Don't worry; be happy. (Baba) |
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nz fish Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2015 Posts: 37 Location: WELLINGTON NEW ZEALAN
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
nz fish wrote: |
....yea i just tried it and 2 gaskets and tight 4 to slack 3 seams ok ....thanks do you know about the o ring ?? ...cheers fish |
Know about what is mentioned at the top of this page.. |
my gearbox is out of a 1970 Karman ghia when looking to order the o ring number 4 in the picture at top of page it says the o ring is for KG up to 1967 https://www.vwheritage.com/111501139-gearbox-axle-flange-o-ring-vw-spare should i just put one in anyway ...cheers fish |
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nz fish Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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Campy wrote: |
What O-ring? I don't remember using any O-rings on the old bus transaxles I was assembling, over the years. In my bus Clymer shop manual there is nothing listed.l |
picture top of page no 4 ...cheers fish |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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quartermilecamel wrote: |
What Ive read on here is make sure the flange is FLAT and I do mean flat all the way around it. Same as when reinstalling an oil pan. Tap the area around the holes back down flat if they are raised due to too much fastener torque. Thought I had this area conquered last time I did this and it still leaks but I didnt check to see if the flange was perfectly flat. Im using the colored empi boots and next time I will use F loads of sealant on the boots and finger it on the gaskets after I massage the holes. |
Our '59 Transporter had terminal side flange leak. The problem wasn't the seals, it was the light-duty sheet metal side flanges, that weaken and warp with age.
Our solution was these Billet side flanges by Weddle Industries.
Overkill? You bet! _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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BarryL Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: |
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nz fish wrote: |
...the o ring ?? ...cheers fish |
If your side cover looks like this spaceship flying saucer with portholes then you use an o-ring and the red gaskets.
Make sure the trans center section has matching sides with the o-ring indent. Late '67 bus started with them. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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Campy wrote: |
What O-ring? I don't remember using any O-rings on the old bus transaxles I was assembling, over the years. In my bus Clymer shop manual there is nothing listed.l |
Time for you to get the Bentley reprint of one or all of the "VW Transporter Workshop Manuals". _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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don.ville Samba YardMan
Joined: February 07, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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The problem for me is the non-original parts swapping in my bus.
My transmission is from a newer year bug, engine from Mexico, and brake parts from a Type 3, so I have the Bentley manual but many times I have to refer to the forums for more info. _________________
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Campy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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I have Clymer and the reprint of the big manual. I better look at it. _________________ Don't worry; be happy. (Baba) |
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j.pickens Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle Tube Retainer o ring seal |
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don.ville wrote: |
The problem for me is the non-original parts swapping in my bus.
My transmission is from a newer year bug, engine from Mexico, and brake parts from a Type 3, so I have the Bentley manual but many times I have to refer to the forums for more info. |
Yes, this is a huge problem. I try to stay as stock as I can, but parts availability causes many failures in my quest. It is a major PITA to keep it all straight. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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