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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

I picked up 90% of a complete disassembled engine. It had a carb only fire.
Case
Mark Stephens welded and ported heads
Berg cam (w120) with numbered lifters
H beam rods
78.8 crank
90.5 p/c
Berg heavy pulley, carb, linkage and breather tower
Basically, no rockers, exhaust, dist or carbs.

I have a ceramic coated 1 1/2 merged header and muffler and 40 dells to use. I sold my IDA's Crying or Very sad
I haven't measured the rod length, valve size or chambers, yet. But, I want a fun peppy engine. Occasional drag racing. I'm kinda thinking a 10 to 1 CR. I'll fly cut to get there.
Do I keep the w120 and get 1.25 rockers. Or go with something like a FK8 with 1.4's? (I have 1.4's sitting)
Open to all cam suggestions.
Can take pics of the heads.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Measure valves, chamber cc and intake runner cc
Upload some pics.

Will give people far better chance of a meaningful recommendation.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Use the W-120 with stock 1.1 rockers and the 1 1/2" exhaust. 34mm venturies in the 40 Dell's. 9.2-9.5 CR


Get 1 5/8" exhaust, FK-8 with 1.4 rockers, 36mm venturies in the 40 Dells and 9.5-9.8 CR and consider 92 or 94mm P/C's
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Build around the 1.4 rockers. Cam choice depends on the heads, carbs and exhaust.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

fk8&1.4 should be good. my 2028 has the cb 2055 witch is 2 degrees less duration but .038 more lobe,I run 1.34 rockers on it. I would rather have the fk 8 with less lobe throwing the lifter less and more spring rate on that less throw due to the added ratio. I run 10.4 cr daily. Ive heard the web 86 series runs quieter...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Turns out to be 40x30 valve. And zero fly cut. Still nice ports. After I took the gasket off I see their not welded. Just welding around the spark plug inserts.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:19 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Hello.
The Berg version of the W120 is actually not a bad cam, but if the choice is open I would chose different too.
If we are still talking approx same rpm level, only better I´m thinking FK8, CB 2288 or even FK43.

But check those chambers, they look big, which indicates a rather low static CR.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Fk8 at 10:1 with the 1.4s.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

Wow I like those numbers! I always wanted a fk8, anyway. Now I have to get this thing going for summer. Or it’s a 1600 with ICT’s. I wonder what the dyno would say with IDA’s? Thanks for the info
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

With 48 IDA's,
10:1 compression.
fk8 cam
138.7 HP @ 6500 RPM
133.2 torque @ 5000 RPM.

Webcam 86b will get ya,
48 IDA's
10:1 compression
140.4 @ 6500 RPM
133.4 torque @ 5000 RPM
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

so...you guys have the flow## from those big chambered heads???so you can tell the hp....sweet!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

I’m fly cutting to achieve desired C/R. I understand that those numbers are way approximate.

There’s a local guy selling a new CB 2288 referred to as a FK8. Close enough.
I don’t see a CB 2055 listed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

What’s a good deck height I should shoot for?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

The minimum safe deck height is .040" I would not go over .070". All the anal expert say you must run exactly .040" or the earth will stop rotating and your engine will melt to the ground.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

vwracerdave wrote:
The minimum safe deck height is .040" I would not go over .070". All the anal expert say you must run exactly .040" or the earth will stop rotating and your engine will melt to the ground.

IMHO 0,070" is too much and will aid in slightly elevated head temps due to less efficient burn. 0,040 to 0,052" is the sweet spot. 0,060" only acceptable if it cannot be any other way. From thereon up to about 0,110" you get in what we popularly call the death zone Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

vwracerdave wrote:
The minimum safe deck height is .040" I would not go over .070". All the anal expert say you must run exactly .040" or the earth will stop rotating and your engine will melt to the ground.


he said 'anal expert'. haha. tee-hee.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

That he did. I guess I got myself a new title to add to the business card Rolling Eyes Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice Reply with quote

mark tucker wrote:
so...you guys have the flow## from those big chambered heads???so you can tell the hp....sweet!!!


I get what your saying. Even with flycutting, those chambers are large and mis shapen. I’ll still shoot for 10 to 1 and it is what it is.
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