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NJ John Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:20 am Post subject: 2028cc cam choice |
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I picked up 90% of a complete disassembled engine. It had a carb only fire.
Case
Mark Stephens welded and ported heads
Berg cam (w120) with numbered lifters
H beam rods
78.8 crank
90.5 p/c
Berg heavy pulley, carb, linkage and breather tower
Basically, no rockers, exhaust, dist or carbs.
I have a ceramic coated 1 1/2 merged header and muffler and 40 dells to use. I sold my IDA's
I haven't measured the rod length, valve size or chambers, yet. But, I want a fun peppy engine. Occasional drag racing. I'm kinda thinking a 10 to 1 CR. I'll fly cut to get there.
Do I keep the w120 and get 1.25 rockers. Or go with something like a FK8 with 1.4's? (I have 1.4's sitting)
Open to all cam suggestions.
Can take pics of the heads.
Thanks _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15303 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:48 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Use the W-120 with stock 1.1 rockers and the 1 1/2" exhaust. 34mm venturies in the 40 Dell's. 9.2-9.5 CR
Get 1 5/8" exhaust, FK-8 with 1.4 rockers, 36mm venturies in the 40 Dells and 9.5-9.8 CR and consider 92 or 94mm P/C's _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:56 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Build around the 1.4 rockers. Cam choice depends on the heads, carbs and exhaust.
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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fk8&1.4 should be good. my 2028 has the cb 2055 witch is 2 degrees less duration but .038 more lobe,I run 1.34 rockers on it. I would rather have the fk 8 with less lobe throwing the lifter less and more spring rate on that less throw due to the added ratio. I run 10.4 cr daily. Ive heard the web 86 series runs quieter... |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Turns out to be 40x30 valve. And zero fly cut. Still nice ports. After I took the gasket off I see their not welded. Just welding around the spark plug inserts.
_________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Fk42 _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval
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I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7213 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:19 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Hello.
The Berg version of the W120 is actually not a bad cam, but if the choice is open I would chose different too.
If we are still talking approx same rpm level, only better I´m thinking FK8, CB 2288 or even FK43.
But check those chambers, they look big, which indicates a rather low static CR.
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Vanillagurilla Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2017 Posts: 1061 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:46 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Fk8 at 10:1 with the 1.4s. |
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Vanillagurilla Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:50 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:14 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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Wow I like those numbers! I always wanted a fk8, anyway. Now I have to get this thing going for summer. Or it’s a 1600 with ICT’s. I wonder what the dyno would say with IDA’s? Thanks for the info _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9759 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:29 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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With 48 IDA's,
10:1 compression.
fk8 cam
138.7 HP @ 6500 RPM
133.2 torque @ 5000 RPM.
Webcam 86b will get ya,
48 IDA's
10:1 compression
140.4 @ 6500 RPM
133.4 torque @ 5000 RPM _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:40 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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so...you guys have the flow## from those big chambered heads???so you can tell the hp....sweet!!! |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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I’m fly cutting to achieve desired C/R. I understand that those numbers are way approximate.
There’s a local guy selling a new CB 2288 referred to as a FK8. Close enough.
I don’t see a CB 2055 listed. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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What’s a good deck height I should shoot for? _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15303 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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The minimum safe deck height is .040" I would not go over .070". All the anal expert say you must run exactly .040" or the earth will stop rotating and your engine will melt to the ground. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
Featured in Dec. 2001 HOT VW's Magazine page 63
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7213 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:23 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
The minimum safe deck height is .040" I would not go over .070". All the anal expert say you must run exactly .040" or the earth will stop rotating and your engine will melt to the ground. |
IMHO 0,070" is too much and will aid in slightly elevated head temps due to less efficient burn. 0,040 to 0,052" is the sweet spot. 0,060" only acceptable if it cannot be any other way. From thereon up to about 0,110" you get in what we popularly call the death zone |
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ac509 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2012 Posts: 160 Location: moved
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:36 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
The minimum safe deck height is .040" I would not go over .070". All the anal expert say you must run exactly .040" or the earth will stop rotating and your engine will melt to the ground. |
he said 'anal expert'. haha. tee-hee.
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7213 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:42 am Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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That he did. I guess I got myself a new title to add to the business card |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: 2028cc cam choice |
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mark tucker wrote: |
so...you guys have the flow## from those big chambered heads???so you can tell the hp....sweet!!! |
I get what your saying. Even with flycutting, those chambers are large and mis shapen. I’ll still shoot for 10 to 1 and it is what it is. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
https://www.youtube.com/@AirSpooledGarage |
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