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FlannelDaddy
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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:49 am Post subject: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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I just bought my first project car, a '63 notch with a lot of work to be done. At times it seems like it's ahead of my ability, but I'm pretty confident I can get it done. I have a few questions:
The floor pans need replacing. Can I replace them without removing the body? if not, what's the best way to get the body off the floor pan without a lift? Can the engine stay attached to the floor pan without the body being on the floor pan?
Once I have new floor pans in, how do the seats attach to the floor? Will the pans have rails already on them, or will I need to buy rails for them?
The engine it has in it is out of a later type 3 that had a 12 volt system, while the rest of the car was originally 6 volt, what needs to happen to make that work?
Any help is greatly appreciated. |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:12 am Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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It is your Engineering Project & 'there is more than 1 way to skin a cat'.
You have to carefully remove & reuse your outer seat rails.
Buy Bentley & Haynes manuals as your very first purchase for your build.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| FlannelDaddy wrote: |
I just bought my first project car, a '63 notch with a lot of work to be done. At times it seems like it's ahead of my ability, but I'm pretty confident I can get it done. I have a few questions:
The floor pans need replacing. Can I replace them without removing the body? if not, what's the best way to get the body off the floor pan without a lift? Can the engine stay attached to the floor pan without the body being on the floor pan?
You can, and it might make lining up the bolt holes easier, but you're still going to need to trim the inside edge some.
Once I have new floor pans in, how do the seats attach to the floor? Will the pans have rails already on them, or will I need to buy rails for them?
You'll have to remove the outer rails from both sides and weld them in place. Do search, as it's been covered here.
The engine it has in it is out of a later type 3 that had a 12 volt system, while the rest of the car was originally 6 volt, what needs to happen to make that work?
Any help is greatly appreciated. |
As for doing a 12 volt conversion, all the light bulbs need to be swapped to 12 volt bulbs. The wiper motor swapped to a 67 only motor, or change the entire wiper motor assembly to a 68 to 70 unit. You could always add a voltage drop unit, but those things make heat, so look around for a place where you can safely mount it.
Ideally you're going to want to get a Blue Bentley, as it for your car, and covers most anything about it. The Haynes and brown Bentley are good, but don't really cover front drum brakes like you have.
I hope this helps.
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PK
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:57 am Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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You can also watch the "Bug Me" videos, they have one on replacing the floor pan.
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Jason37
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:53 am Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| Post some pics up, if you need complete pans, you will need to remove the body. Four guys can lift a stripped body off the pan. As for 12/6v question, if it hasn’t been converted you can find a 6v alloy fan shroud and generator and install it on your 12v motor. |
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FlannelDaddy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| The passenger pan is completely MIA. The driver’s side pan is there, but I don’t know if it can be used, and it is already cut off the car. |
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ibjack
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:17 am Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
It is your Engineering Project & 'there is more than 1 way to skin a cat'.
You have to carefully remove & reuse your outer seat rails.
Buy Bentley & Haynes manuals as your very first purchase for your build.
Welcome to TheSamba!
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Buy the Big blue bentley for 61-65 cars, the ones in the picture are little use for a 63.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| FlannelDaddy wrote: |
| The passenger pan is completely MIA. The driver’s side pan is there, but I don’t know if it can be used, and it is already cut off the car. |
Sounds like you need a pair of Gerson pans. I'd just do both sides, since you'll already have the tools out doing 1 side. Plus, once both are done, you won't have to worry about them for a long time. 
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FlannelDaddy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| ibjack wrote: |
Buy the Big blue bentley for 61-65 cars, the ones in the picture are little use for a 63. |
I just ordered one for 61-67, will that be just as good?
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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| FlannelDaddy wrote: |
| ibjack wrote: |
Buy the Big blue bentley for 61-65 cars, the ones in the picture are little use for a 63. |
I just ordered one for 61-67, will that be just as good? |
Same one.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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FlannelDaddy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: New owner of a 1963 Notchback...with a few questions |
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My Bentley manual came in today, and I spent all day today wrenching on my new toy. I’ve been having a load of fun with it That manual truly is the real deal. It’s super descriptive and easy to understand, I couldn’t be more satisfied with it.
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