Not a Notch resto

[Bobnotch]

Well, today was installing the ISP sunroof seals, and installing the sunroof. Sorry, but not pics as I was busy.
Funny how that seal has a 362 part number, but the slots cut in it fit a beetle sunroof. I know what's going on though, as ISP just "repackaged" 2 long bug seals and labeled them with the 362 part number. I say that, as I've used the long bug seals before on this car, so I knew I had to cut my own slots where I needed them. Remember, with a sunroof, the rear of it gets flipped 90* from the rest of the opening/seal layout, as it gets glued to the inner upper roof. That job is always fun, as gravity likes to work against you. Needless to say, the blue rubber piece of the bead didn't stay put, and once the "seal" was glued in place, the aluminum strip was higher on the ends than the bead was. Disappointing to say the least. Needless to say that made getting the roof panel in a little bit of a chore. I swear, I really think I should have just left the f'n car alone, and not even bothered doing anything to it. The paint looks good now, but...
Anyway, I got a good look at the windshield seal today too. The gaps have stopped closing up, and now the corners are starting to suck in. No wonder Dan and Neena hate their window seal on their 69, as this one isn't much better (should have used more silicone Tram ). At this point I have 2 choices, fill everything with window weld so it won't leak (car stays parked outside), or pull the window and install the WCM seal on it, and install that and forget it.

On another note, I feel sorry for people like Steve, Monte, and Leo, as they're spending a lot of time and money restoring their cars, only to find themselves disappointed when it comes to putting their cars all back together using the crap fitting parts we have these days. I really think stuff was better 10 or 15 years ago, even if it wasn't NOS.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[MonT3]

[Bobnotch]

[eyetzr]

I just installed the windshield & used a new seal from CIP1 and found no issues (lucky? ). The new vent box seals from ISP fit great. I think you hit the nail on the head with the need for better product testing.
Your notch is looking great
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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"

[69 Notchback]

Bob, not looking fwd to the window install now. I talked to isp and all there window seals are the sam so I'm thinking my windows will fitt the same as yours. the notch is looking good keep at it. Maybe some day we will get a good source for rubber. For now I think it is what it is and I'm just glad it's out there even though it's not proper. But I'm always trying to look on the bright side of things.

[Bobnotch]

[Bobnotch]

Well, I did get the air boxes sandblasted, primed, and painted last week. I also glued on some seals, and finally got them installed. While I had them apart, I added some truck bed to cap sealer foam to the flap pcs (like I did on the T-34). Hopefully that should keep them from leaking in the rain.
Once they got installed, it was time for the wiper motor assembly, since the air boxes are the 1st parts in, and the last parts out. The windshield squirter also got hosed and installed along with the middle heater outlet and it's tubing.

Any way, last saturday I worked on installing the sunroof. What I found once everything was back together, felt like the cables were worn out (I did see some worn flat spots too). So, I ordered up a pair of bus cables from the Bus Depot (in PA). These are for a 68 to 79 bus, and were reasonably priced. They are also 101 inches long (t-3's are 52 3/8ths inches long), so I had to cut them down (modify them for t-3 use).
Here's the first mod to them. The full length wouldn't fit in the pic.

(step 1 cut to new length)

(here's the cut off pc with the shortened pcs)

(this shows the end on the bus cable, and my mod to be able to install some sort of end like they did)

showing the cable mod (step 2) I used the cut off pc as a sample for ideas.

What I used for the end.(step 3)

trimed and ready for install (step 4)

Ok, so they got installed, and I thought I would be good to go, EXCEPT, the left side was working fine, but the right side just sat there and didn't move. WTF?? So I pulled the center parts out (under the top center cover), and then found my old parts (65 vintage), so I could compare them. Here's 2 pics of what I found. Can you spot the difference?

It's the cable shim tab that's missing. Needless to say this is an ISP part, and I wondered why it looked used when I took it out of the bag (you can see the fresh rust on it where the cable rides). I'm guessing someone tried to use this part before me, found it wouldn't work, and returned it, then ISP re-sold it (to me). I swear to gawd that they are just sending out junk with no quality control.
Once I installed my old shim plate, the sunroof started working correctly. Hell, maybe my old cables would have still worked, had I gotten a GOOD part. Looks like I'll be looking thru Wolfsburg West's, and Airhead Parts's catalogs tonite, and see about getting another NEW shim plate.
As much as I need a couple of parts from ISP, I'm done with buying from them.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[W1K1]

Just a heads up, have a local truck shop that does custom crimped control cables of all sizes, types, and ends. You may have someone in your neighborhood that does similar stuff for those oddball cable repairs instead of inferior repop parts.
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1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap

[Bobnotch]

[andybla]

Yeah, always a pita when you're happy to install something but find out you've been sold used parts

But still, keep up the good work

[Bobnotch]

[ALLWAGONS]

Not an ISP plug, but they know what they are doing there at ISP. While sourcing NOS parts for my '65 sunroof Variant, I ran into so many variations of sunroof parts, you wouldn't believe. Some with the same part number but different suffix (a/b) and it was the same part but for different model/year. As far as that metal reinforcement, there are about 5 or 6 lower plastic guide with different reinforcements. Some ause a very small tab, some are the full metal plate with and without the tab or the metal plate at all.

Martin
allwagons
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.

Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.

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[ALLWAGONS]

Here are some of the different lowers I ran into, all with a type 3 part number.

and this is some's attempt at tensioning the cables, I assume it worked as I removed it from a late working sunroof car.

and two slightly different top metal plates.

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I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.

I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.

Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.

NON INFLUENCER APPROVED

[andybla]

Makes you wonder why there are so many different parts for the same purpose

[notchboy]

[Bobnotch]

[ALLWAGONS]

[Bobnotch]