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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:54 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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stale air wrote: |
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I've transposed that info, but can't seem to keep the tabs lines up for the columns? Any ideas how to do this so people can add their info? |
No, but if revamped and set up maybe as a spread sheet, that might work better.
That said, there is more info here that if somebody takes on this project could add to the mix.
http://58-59enthusiasts.proboards.com/thread/1/58-59-registry |
Here's the updated version with information from the other registry combined
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stale air Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:19 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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If someone can figure it out, I'll be happy to add my information to the list. Sadly, that kind of thing is beyond my skill level. |
Pass it forward if you like, either here or via pm if you want your name not included.
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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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As I was looking on the tech and serial numbers section here on the samba, I came across something I hadn’t seen with body numbers. According to the document, in June of 57, it looks like the reset body numbers back to zero? I was looking at my July 15/57 built square window 58 and the body number seemed low, guess this is why! (Body numbers is the last column)
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myvolks1 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Everett Barnes, what all is here in this picture?
What is each called?
I have some of those for my Oct 58, but not all of these shown in this picture.
Is this a complete set that came with each new 58/59 VW Beetle when new or are some missing?
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Wow, nice!
It's weird I can't really tell the outside color in those pics, it almost looks like primer.
Is it really chalky?
The stock manuals and stuff are killer, I love that sort of thing
Another pic you posted
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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myvolks1 wrote: |
Everett Barnes, what all is here in this picture? |
If you left click on the image in question, it should open it up bigger in its own screen page. Left click again and it will blow the image up a bit more.
1. Instruction Manual, AKA Owners Manual.
2. All Over Europe.
3. Distributors and Dealers in Canada, USA, and Mexico.
4. Just a Few Tips.
5. VW Service In Germany.
6. Carry pack for all of the others.
Looks like a Euro delivered beetle and driven in Europe. Probably later shipped to the USA as a used VW through VW freight ships. Might have been for a US military person based in Europe, or a N. American tourist that wanted to buy a VW to use for traveling in Europe and then ship back home. Our 1962 SO-34 Westfalia was one of these sold as "Tourist Delivery" by VW.
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Yes, the above is the listing.
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Is this a complete set that came with each new 58/59 VW Beetle when new or are some missing? |
No, I think most cars came with the owner's manual, the Distributors and Dealers book, and a service coupon booklet (not pictured)
For the European dealer listings above I agree with E&B that this car was probably a Tourist Delivery car.
The Just a Few Tips was an optional booklet not given to everyone.
There is a theory these were given only to the "dumb" owners who need more simplistic help and tips. _________________ How to Post Photos
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jack1448 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Malanthius wrote: |
Hey everyone. I recently scored a very original Diamond grey 59 ragtop. Build was Aug 58. 75000 original miles. I dont think the motor has ever been pulled and still running on the original clutch. Runs like a sewing machine. Little old lady owned. She banged the passenger side front fender long ago. That was replaced with an early non tube type fender. The pans are perfect. Bumpers were rusty and I just threw on a set I could find locally for cheap for now. Came with all the original brochures and sales paperwork in a binder. Just amazing.
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I have to agree with Everett that outside color doesn't look right. Still a very, very nice car and the literature is killer.
Your dash is just like mine, original L243 Diamond Grey, although mine is 58 with brown/grey interior.
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jack1448 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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bwaz wrote: |
As I was looking on the tech and serial numbers section here on the samba, I came across something I hadn’t seen with body numbers. According to the document, in June of 57, it looks like the reset body numbers back to zero? I was looking at my July 15/57 built square window 58 and the body number seemed low, guess this is why! (Body numbers is the last column) |
hi bwaz, what is the body number for your car? Its interesting how the body numbers appear to be pretty random in the survivor's registry, especially for the early 58 vehicles. I wonder if your car and the other July-57 car were pre-production vehicles used to verify the new sheet metal before VW committed to high volume manufacture?
EDIT: Sorry I didn't catch on that PR records were from progressive refinements, was thinking 'Private' something I believe the PR records are for the last vehicle produced in each month, so you should adjust dates so that the list sorts correctly. Or maybe drop those from survivor registry, since we all know where to find them.
Where do you find the axle numbers? I'll try to get the transmission number now that Everett has posted a picture.
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Malanthius Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:10 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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EverettB wrote: |
Wow, nice!
It's weird I can't really tell the outside color in those pics, it almost looks like primer.
Is it really chalky?
The stock manuals and stuff are killer, I love that sort of thing
Another pic you posted
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Thanks! The outside was repainted in the 70s I believe. Maybe early 80s. Little old lady banged the right front fender. I’m guessing it was repainted after that repair. That fender is later 60s. Everything else is original. I have all the original paperwork. Looks like you are right about it being a tourist delivery. I’ll post pictures of that paperwork later. From the service records it had 73000 miles in 1987. Only 2000 miles put on it since then. I believe all the rubber seals are original and still soft. It was garaged kept I would think. The guy I got it from had a body guy fix a crack in the front hood where they always crack and fix little dings and then primer it for repaint. I’m going to try and remove the primer and repaint. See how the original paint looks. May just shoot the outside Diamond grey. Restitch the the seats and be done with it. |
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Malanthius Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:14 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Thanks! Yes the outside was repainted awhile ago. Then primered recently. Going to try and strip it down to the original paint. Yours looks like a beauty as well!
jack1448 wrote: |
Malanthius wrote: |
Hey everyone. I recently scored a very original Diamond grey 59 ragtop. Build was Aug 58. 75000 original miles. I dont think the motor has ever been pulled and still running on the original clutch. Runs like a sewing machine. Little old lady owned. She banged the passenger side front fender long ago. That was replaced with an early non tube type fender. The pans are perfect. Bumpers were rusty and I just threw on a set I could find locally for cheap for now. Came with all the original brochures and sales paperwork in a binder. Just amazing.
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I have to agree with Everett that outside color doesn't look right. Still a very, very nice car and the literature is killer.
Your dash is just like mine, original L243 Diamond Grey, although mine is 58 with brown/grey interior.
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jack1448 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:33 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Malanthius wrote: |
Thanks! Yes the outside was repainted awhile ago. Then primered recently. Going to try and strip it down to the original paint.
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I hope you have more luck than I did. I found some original paint on roof and in places like behind the running boards, but otherwise it appears that the paint was removed from the external surfaces when the car was resprayed, probably sometime in the 1990's. All inside surfaces are still the original paint, fortunately.
Its hard to match the diamond grey with modern paints, so if its still there that's a big plus. Good luck with your strip! |
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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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jack1448 wrote: |
bwaz wrote: |
As I was looking on the tech and serial numbers section here on the samba, I came across something I hadn’t seen with body numbers. According to the document, in June of 57, it looks like the reset body numbers back to zero? I was looking at my July 15/57 built square window 58 and the body number seemed low, guess this is why! (Body numbers is the last column) |
hi bwaz, what is the body number for your car? Its interesting how the body numbers appear to be pretty random in the survivor's registry, especially for the early 58 vehicles. I wonder if your car and the other July-57 car were pre-production vehicles used to verify the new sheet metal before VW committed to high volume manufacture?
EDIT: Sorry I didn't catch on that PR records were from progressive refinements, was thinking 'Private' something I believe the PR records are for the last vehicle produced in each month, so you should adjust dates so that the list sorts correctly. Or maybe drop those from survivor registry, since we all know where to find them.
Where do you find the axle numbers? I'll try to get the transmission number now that Everett has posted a picture. |
Body number 1449
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bwaz Samba Member
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myvolks1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Aug 57 sounds right for the first 1958 square rear window Beetles.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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More info in the "Progressive Refinements" and other good to know stuff here:
http://www.oacdp.org/ _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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VeeDubKev Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:54 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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New to this thread. Im told I have a 58’ but I dont really know anything else got it as a bare shell with wrong fenders (for now). My number is 1805440 can anyone tell me some info from that ? |
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AlohaBuggin Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:54 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Hello everyone. New beetle owner. I’m Trying to adjust my front beam but I can’t find any info on my particular adjuster style. It’s not the puma style. Right now the car sits way to low and I can’t get out of my driveway without scraping the beam. Any help is greatly appreciated! I can try to post better pictures of the adjusters if needed.
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wiferdill Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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I can't help with the beam adjustment, but you certainly came to the right place. I do have anther question. Anyone ever heard of Classico Wheels in Florida? I was told by a Porsche guy they have extra powerful 6 volt starters and LED headlights that fit the Type 1 bugs. I'll report back to the forum when I get mine. Hope it's not a "Too good to be true" thing. |
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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:18 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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AlohaBuggin wrote: |
Hello everyone. New beetle owner. I’m Trying to adjust my front beam but I can’t find any info on my particular adjuster style. It’s not the puma style. Right now the car sits way to low and I can’t get out of my driveway without scraping the beam. Any help is greatly appreciated! I can try to post better pictures of the adjusters if needed.
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You're missing a threaded piece like on the top adjuster. (odd because it's got an allen head in the middle to adjust it. In theory, you could just use threaded rod if you don't have that part. Drive the car on a few 2x4's, put a floor jack on the beam to release a bit of tension. Loosen all the nuts on the adjusters. Raise the car higher. Screw that threaded piece in, along with two nuts to hold it in place. Tighten it all up. Try as high as you can, and see where it sits.
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