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cmonSTART
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 Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:53 pm Post subject: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Hey Folks, so while I'm going through the bus and doing body work here and there I am repainting with a good Alkyd paint that matches the original color. Sure it's messy and you can see brush marks and such, but things are protected and really it's just temporary.
Well, I tried a roller today and it was a disaster - I ended up removing it all and just dealing with the brush. Post-roller, the paint had lots of roller lint stuck in it - a lot! Plus there were air bubbles everywhere and it was extremely.... textured? I've seen some decent roller jobs on here and for the life of me can't find the thread I'm looking for right now.
The Alkyd paint I'm using is a bit on the thick side so I splashed a bit of thinner in it - maybe I didn't use enough. Is there a different type of roller I should be using rather than the standard Ace Hardware special?
I'm not looking for show quality right now - just not a train wreck. Anyone have any input?
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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| cmonSTART wrote: |
| I'm not looking for show quality right now |
Yeah, you don't have to worry about it.
Years ago a friend bought a old Ford F1 pickup that was painted with house point. Once media blasted the metal was in perfect condition. The house paint saved the body.
Have you put any thought into how to remove it when you want a good paint job?
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cmonSTART
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Darn it - found the thread! I should have used a foam roller!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Search "roll and tip" paint method
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cmonSTART
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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How it should look:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=20
Glenn, I will likely just take some time and sand it down - not too bad with power tools. Either way that's likely a few years out.
I think I'm going to give this another shot. I was going to stick with stock colors but I might do something radical.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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| cmonSTART wrote: |
| I was going to stick with stock colors but I might do something radical. |
Stock colors will look better. Anything too off will look odd.
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cmonSTART
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Probably won't be too off - I really like the Dakota Beige color on the top of the bus - I might just do the whole thing that color.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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last time I had to remove hose paint from a car I wanted to hunt the guy down and speedbag his ballsack.
house paint clogs sand paper like you can't imagine. the only sane way to remove is media blasting
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
last time I had to remove hose paint from a car I wanted to hunt the guy down and speedbag his ballsack.
house paint clogs sand paper like you can't imagine. the only sane way to remove is media blasting |
Citrus Strip did ok on the house paint on my Boston Theatre bus. Can't say the same for the bondo they used to "build" the rear corners..
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I'm sure there are products to remove it. when I do something it's a time=money thing, and I don't like to cross pollinate products when I'm doing body work. 99% of the time I media blast. far faster than hand stripping and cheaper than buying sand paper.
I can have a whole bus naked in about 2-3 hours for 1k. learned my lesson a long time ago...spend your time, or spend your money...don't spend both
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| Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I'm sure there are products to remove it. when I do something it's a time=money thing, and I don't like to cross pollinate products when I'm doing body work. 99% of the time I media blast. far faster than hand stripping and cheaper than buying sand paper.
I can have a whole bus naked in about 2-3 hours for 1k. learned my lesson a long time ago...spend your time, or spend your money...don't spend both |
Why spend another $1000 to remove paint now? .... he can buy a gallon of exterior house paint on sale for $25, and doesn't need the bus to look good, only needs to hide the rust and bondo until he flips it when he is done with it. Use newspaper and cheap masking tape to cover the windows while painting. Pull a couple old tee shirts over the front seats as upholstery, find some carpet ripped out of a home or commerce for the back floor, throw a couple of dryer fabric sheets in the bus for scent & poof - Done!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I'm sure there are products to remove it. when I do something it's a time=money thing, and I don't like to cross pollinate products when I'm doing body work. 99% of the time I media blast. far faster than hand stripping and cheaper than buying sand paper.
I can have a whole bus naked in about 2-3 hours for 1k. learned my lesson a long time ago...spend your time, or spend your money...don't spend both |
Why spend another $1000 to remove paint now? .... he can buy a gallon of exterior house paint on sale for $25, and doesn't need the bus to look good, only needs to hide the rust and bondo until he flips it when he is done with it. Use newspaper and cheap masking tape to cover the windows while painting. Pull a couple old tee shirts over the front seats as upholstery, find some carpet ripped out of a home or commerce for the back floor, throw a couple of dryer fabric sheets in the bus for scent & poof - Done!
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Worked for me! I better stay the hell out of Connecticut I guess or wear a codpiece when passing through...... 
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Penetrol will help to get prevent both brush and roller marks, while adding hardner will speed up the curing time.
It is my understanding that there are at least two basic kinds of alkyd paints. The one I used on my 77 14'ish years ago shows no scratching after having driven many miles of brushy dirt roads and having been generally mistreated. I don't know enough about the different alkaloid paints to say which kind works best, don't even know which kind I used as I didn't know that were different kinds of alkyd paints when I bought it.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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I'm sure there are products to remove it. when I do something it's a time=money thing, and I don't like to cross pollinate products when I'm doing body work. 99% of the time I media blast. far faster than hand stripping and cheaper than buying sand paper.
I can have a whole bus naked in about 2-3 hours for 1k. learned my lesson a long time ago...spend your time, or spend your money...don't spend both |
Why spend another $1000 to remove paint now? .... he can buy a gallon of exterior house paint on sale for $25, and doesn't need the bus to look good, only needs to hide the rust and bondo until he flips it when he is done with it. Use newspaper and cheap masking tape to cover the windows while painting. Pull a couple old tee shirts over the front seats as upholstery, find some carpet ripped out of a home or commerce for the back floor, throw a couple of dryer fabric sheets in the bus for scent & poof - Done!
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Worked for me! I better stay the hell out of Connecticut I guess or wear a codpiece when passing through...... |
Please see my ad in classifieds for OG codpieces.
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Please see my ad in classifieds for OG codpieces.
Steve and Don make any thread worth reading.... |
Are still trying to get $650 each for those smelly old things, or have you come to your senses?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
last time I had to remove hose paint from a car I wanted to hunt the guy down and speedbag his ballsack.
house paint clogs sand paper like you can't imagine. the only sane way to remove is media blasting |
Although you're set with the Media Blasting, as a tip, use Festool Granat Abrasive for Removing Paint from something. It was developed with the Automotive World in mind, and is now being used as their Go-To abrasive for almost any material that's common like Wood, Metal, Paint, Plaster, Film Finishes etc. So much so that Festool discontinued 2 other abrasives since Granat sales tanked those other 2 abrasives with Commercial Users switching out entire shops to Granat since it greatly simplified buying Abrasives with only 1 type needed, in what ever grits are useful for the user.
If you don't want to spend the money on one of their Sanders to mount Granat Discs onto, you can still buy Granat in rolls of different Grits that have a foam backing, so they're flexible for tight spots and other hard to reach places.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Wow... this thread went all... Samba.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Alkyd paint is not house paint. Alkyd will be fine on the exterior of your Bus though it could be improved with the use of a hardener and still be rolled on, if that is your only option.
I would suggest that you find a local automotive paint supplier for supplies and advice. The alkyd paint I buy through my supplier is cheaper than Rustoleum at the hardware store and I use it with a hardener made to go with the product. They could make it up in whatever color and sheen you want. For a roller paint job I wouldn't make it too glossy. Try satin.
I use this on tin, suspension parts, wheels, etc..
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Paint with a roller - fail! Help? |
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Make sure the runs are included, they add character.
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I'm sure there are products to remove it. when I do something it's a time=money thing, and I don't like to cross pollinate products when I'm doing body work. 99% of the time I media blast. far faster than hand stripping and cheaper than buying sand paper.
I can have a whole bus naked in about 2-3 hours for 1k. learned my lesson a long time ago...spend your time, or spend your money...don't spend both |
I get it, especially for you as that is your business time\money. When I lived near people in southern NH, would go for blasting (even as a hobbyist) over doing it myself. Now, 40 miles south of Canada, it is a time thing too. It takes 75 minutes in good weather to get to a grocery store so I did a search for "media blasting" near me. Only a 6.5 hour tow one way  .
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