??? about rear seat backrest "pivot" bolts and washers/ spacers

[sb001]

So.. I finally got my rear seat backrest done and ready to go back in the car. My question concerns the two pivot bolts and the associated washers that go with them.
There are thread holes drilled into the sheet metal on each side of the car for the pivot bolts to thread into. Around each of these holes are small curved sheet metal "tabs" that hold large flat washers in place. They look like the ones in this photo:

I also have a pair of "cupped" washers or spacers that look like this:

Problem is I cannot remember how everything is oriented. These spacers seem to be meant to take up the space between the metal "loops" on either side of the bottom of the rear backrest and the sheet metal, is this correct? And which way are the cupped spacers oriented--does the smaller cupped section go inward against the flat washers or face outward against the metal loop of the backrest?

I've looked for a photo of this with no luck, so if someone simply has a photo of the correct orientation of everything that would certainly help as well. Thanks
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Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[Chris333]

Man I need to know the same thing.

[bnam]

I believe the order is as follows - cupped washer (14mm ID) with cupped end outward towards bolt head, then seat frame, then flat washer (9.2mm ID).
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[sb001]

[sb001]

Here is a quick sketch of how I have it set up right now:

this seems to work just fine, my only real question is whether that cupped spacer needs to go the other way around.
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1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[baldessariclan]

[sb001]

[vamram]

[Ricksurfin]

If no one can get you an answer today, I'll go out and snap some pictures of what I have on my stock '74 standard tomorrow morning.

[sb001]

[Ricksurfin]

No problem, anything i can do to give back a little to the people that contribute a lot on here, I’ll gladly do.
I’ll get the info in the morning for you.

Rick

[baldessariclan]

sb001 -- Ok, took a look at my back seat rest bolt arrangement this morning, and here's what I've got...

I remember this being a bit of a PITA to reassemble -- new carpet and pad had been installed, which definitely crowded the space available for the bolt hole and washer. Couple differences from what you have pictured and drawn up:

My car came with black plastic cupped washers (instead of metal ones, like what you have pictured) -- something like this:

When trying to install that washer, seems like it didn't want to fit with the flat part under the adjacent body side panel. So I flipped it around such that the flat base part of the washer is against the seat back bracket -- you can sort of see it in these pictures below:

Looks like I also had (or added?) a nylon washer right under the bolt head as well.

In any case, It looks like that cupped washer (metal or plastic) should indeed go between the seat back bracket and side of the car, as you had drawn up in your earlier post. Not super critical which way you flip it, in my opinion -- just needs to be oriented in such a way that it fits / clears carpeting and sidewall panel.
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baldessariclan -- often in error, never in doubt...

[Ricksurfin]

Okay, here is what is on my 1974 standard, and I’m sure it’s original and never been disassembled. On drivers side, the bolt has a normal shallow head, but on the passenger side, bolt head is a much smaller size, but head is extended. Not sure on the reasoning. Here are pics:

[shakers73]

[sb001]

Thanks for the pics- unfortunately that doesn't appear to be the same as mine. The bolts on both sides on mine are the same (same as I pictured above--13mm bolt head with the shoulder shank and then 8mm 1.25 pitch thread), and the loop mount of the backrest on mine absolutely will not reach the sides of the car on either side, so the spacers I mentioned earlier HAVE to go between the seat mount and the sheet metal. I know for a fact the backrest is the original that came on the car so it's supposed to be like that.

I guess what I really need is a picture of an original 69.
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1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[Maddel]

[sb001]

[Maddel]

[hylomatt]

If I can chime in on the conversation, I have a 68 rear seat back and only a single shoulder bolt. The holes in the seat frame are larger than the bolts shoulder so I know something is wrong but not sure what as of yet.

I need another bolt (or two correct ones), and i need spacers. Luckily, the washers are still pinned to the quarter panel area.

Is it the same for anyone else here? The bolt's shoulder being smaller than the hole it's supposed to go through? Maybe the spacers, with their conical shape, fill in the gap?

Any idea where I can source the parts I need?

[ricaroo]