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notsnarb
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 Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 3:20 pm Post subject: 40 hp whats this? |
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Dismantling one of my 40hp engines I came across this under the generator stand.
never seen one, can anyone enlighten me??
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vwoldbug
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| I think it's to keep oil from coming up the oil filler , don't throw it away . Is it an early 40 horse . |
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notsnarb
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| vwoldbug wrote: |
| I think it's to keep oil from coming up the oil filler , don't throw it away . Is it an early 40 horse . |
yes it' s a June '61 40hp. acquired it as a 'rebuilt' engine guy couldn't get to run. Dist drive was 180 out 
It's never been run other than on my bench and just discovered it's built with 83mm B&P making it 1385?
I've never seen the oil tube thing either, I won't toss it away for sure Dave, it can go back in. |
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notsnarb
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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Thanks Everett for the answer and link!
I feared a sleepless night....
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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Interesting that the drawing specifies using a camshaft end plug for the cap.
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mukluk
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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The early 40hp oil baffle would normally have a base plate as well instead of simply a collar. You can see this in the drawing provided above as well as the pics below found in the gallery.
The tube baffle was the precursor to the later louver style used direct from the factory on later engines.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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Have an NOS box of them around here somewhere... Made by Zelenda manufacturing.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| mukluk wrote: |
The tube baffle was the precursor to the later louver style used direct from the factory on later engines.
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I just got one of these as it looked like it could be useful. My engine didn't have any sort of baffle plate when I took it apart.
PSQ: In what direction does it go in? It looks like it would work best with the baffles facing down, but they don't fit in the hole, the baffles being off-center.
So if the baffles do face up, which way should the openings be (the plate fits on the bolts with the baffle openings facing right or left only, and not front or back)? According to the diagram above, the old style with tube is inserted so that the slot faces away from the oil fill cap. Same thing with the slotted version?
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tasb
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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On mine the slot is facing away from the oil fill but I don't know who originally installed it. Not sure that it would make a huge difference.
At the bottom of the schematic it says that the slot is facing away from the oil fill.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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Okay, I'll put it in with the slots facing away from the fill hole, one paper gasket on either side, as it seems to make the most sense as it relates to the original item.
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thomas.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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This is how I've always understood these to be installed. The center slot with the end longer than the end slots pointing to the rear of the car.
...edit ... Assuming you were referring to the type in the photo I included since that's the type that was in your post. |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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Side that is stamped "TOP" goes upward. Openings need to face the RH engine case wall. Crankshaft is slinging oil while turning CW as see from the rear. This causes a lot of oil to be thrown up against the top of the engine case and from there over to the RH engine case wall. So you are trying to keep the oil being slung from the crank from getting thru the openings.
That is a later type that will not fit the earlier small round filler hole in the engine case.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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Found them:
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mukluk
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:31 am Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| Are these stubby onnes for T3's? |
Reading the label on the box, they are for engines with a 105mm diameter generator. Based on that information and what we saw from the service manual, the taller one would most likely be for engines with a 90mm diameter generator.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| notchboy wrote: |
| Are these stubby onnes for T3's? |
Reading the label on the box, they are for engines with a 105mm diameter generator. Based on that information and what we saw from the service manual, the taller one would most likely be for engines with a 90mm diameter generator. |
So maybe designed for the 12 volt optioned buses from 1963-66? Would think these will work in the 6 volt 90mm versions also.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| So maybe designed for the 12 volt optioned buses from 1963-66? Would think these will work in the 6 volt 90mm versions also. |
That would make the most sense, yes. I recall reading that a 12v generator was an option on the Beetle as well around that timeframe, though I've not seen any proof it was necessarily a 105mm version.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:20 am Post subject: Re: 40 hp whats this? |
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| mukluk wrote: |
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| So maybe designed for the 12 volt optioned buses from 1963-66? Would think these will work in the 6 volt 90mm versions also. |
That would make the most sense, yes. I recall reading that a 12v generator was an option on the Beetle as well around that timeframe, though I've not seen any proof it was necessarily a 105mm version. |
Can not think right now of exactly when, but before 1967 model year the hole in the case went from the small round to the "D" shape. The latter allowed the use of the 113 101 221 B deflector made of a single sheet of metal with the vents pressed thru it. Of course that later deflector that was a so much simpler design to make, is another question of when it was a new part for VW. Would think it was implemented right off the bat with the hole change, but of course it could have been later.
Maybe later I can go thru the "Progressive Refinements" later to see if there is anything mentioned there.
Did find in the type 2 parts manual copy we have a reference:
113 101 221 A Oil deflector plate from engine 573912 type engine 42-, 44bhp
No drawing of that part in the exploded diagrams. That engine number comes up as MAR60, which would be what is now commonly called now a "Bastard 40HP engine" that were actually a 30bhp or 36HP SAE. So that is not making sense.
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