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Helfen
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 Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| I would be interested to know from a historical point of view if there's any information about how the process of importing a standard (or deluxe) to the US in 1966 was handled. American laws of the time were enforcing the use of hazard flash lights and reinforced bumpers for all the 1966 models being brought in by American owners. Therefore, a standard '66 bug had to be modified...how would that happen? Was the bug sent back to the VW plant in Germany for the required modifications before being shipped overseas? Or would it arrived to the US untouched to be then modified by the local VW dealerships? |
In my case I've owned my car for 51 years but I knew the original owner. My car was ordered out of Aero VW in Inglewood Ca. on some kind of order your car in the states and pick it up at the factory and drive it around Europe and drive back to the factory have it serviced at the factory and they ship it home for you.
My car is a 1965 Type 111 "A" Sedan, 1200Custom. 1200Customs had bumper over riders to begin with-if so ordered and all Canadian 1200 Customs had bumper over riders , also technically European cars or U.S. did not have to comply with emission equipment until 1967, however VW put crankcase devises on in the early 60's for the U.S. but my car has the road draft system. The factory did change the headlight spec. on my car, but forgot to use the all red rear tail lamps. The factory also installed the wrong windshield. So when my car got shipped back to the port of Los Angeles it got stuck in U.S. Customs and VW's port facility had to change the amber turn/red tail/brake lamps to all red, and replace the front windshield to U.S. spec. safety glass. Fortunately for me the owner was able to keep (except the windshield) the parts that were taken off and gave them to me.
Most people don't realize that just in 1965 VW was making the Standard model ( now called the "A" Sedan, the "A" Sedan ragtop sunroof, The "A" Sedan 1200 Custom, the "A" Sedan ragtop sunroof, The Deluxe Sedan, the Deluxe steel sliding sunroof, and the deluxe convertible. Who knows all the variations for all the other countries! |
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seibert66
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| Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:30 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| Thank you, very useful information...I don't have a standard, but I think the same happened to my '66 as far as tail-lights...they left the euro spec lenses on... |
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| Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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I don't know that they sent the car back to the factory. This is the 4th gray market car that I have had. The other 3 were Type 34s. With the exception of one of my T34s, all the cars were euro equipped. Amber turn signals, KPH speedos, etc. The one T34 that wasn't that way was ordered with the K options, that is Canada North America. Red turn signals, mph speedo, Karmann badges on the wings instead of city lights.
I can't speak to other beetles, the one has the amber turn signals and kph speedo. The original bumpers were replaced at some point, so I can't speak to that.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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Did 68 Euro standards use 67 style decklid and apron or the later 68 style (or the earlier 66 style)?
And, what about the outside door handles?
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classiccult 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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Yes that is correct: made without "tarboard" on floor pans.
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In addition to Helfen's notes, I was surprised to note that the car in the link appears to not have the "tarboard" sound deadener material on the floor pans. Did standards not have this material or is that indicative that maybe that car has had some work done? |
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Helfen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| classiccult wrote: |
Yes that is correct: made without "tarboard" on floor pans.
| sjbartnik wrote: |
In addition to Helfen's notes, I was surprised to note that the car in the link appears to not have the "tarboard" sound deadener material on the floor pans. Did standards not have this material or is that indicative that maybe that car has had some work done? |
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My 65 111 does not have and did not come with tar boards. Do you know those insulators that are stuffed and sewn together in a triangle shape that goes up into the "C" pillars from the engine compartment ends to suppress engine noise? My 111 doesn't have those either. My 111 also doesn't have insulation underneath the rear window down to the body floor, and as you know 111 1200 "A" including the 1200 Custom model only have a 3/4 headliner. Driving around in these cars is just about as noisy as a 1938 beetle. |
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eurodub
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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My 65 standard ragtop with that hole in the roof is even noisier than a "normal" 38 
question: does the 65 std ragtop have the folding ragtop handle or the older version? and what about the finishing? mine has the folding handle from golde in chrome. i am sure it's the original... the ragtop mechanism appears not to have been removed from the car in its lifetime.. but i thought they were painted not chrome?
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classiccult
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:10 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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Yes I know these "sewn triangle that goes up into the C pillars". My 1959 Export Beetle has these but my 65 Standard does not have luxury like that. I did over 100.000k with my Standard and I am used to that sound 
I do not know about ragtop handle. VW sold already sunroof in 65 and so the ragtop handle is possible the same as sold the years before 65.
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| classiccult wrote: |
Yes that is correct: made without "tarboard" on floor pans.
| sjbartnik wrote: |
In addition to Helfen's notes, I was surprised to note that the car in the link appears to not have the "tarboard" sound deadener material on the floor pans. Did standards not have this material or is that indicative that maybe that car has had some work done? |
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My 65 111 does not have and did not come with tar boards. Do you know those insulators that are stuffed and sewn together in a triangle shape that goes up into the "C" pillars from the engine compartment ends to suppress engine noise? My 111 doesn't have those either. My 111 also doesn't have insulation underneath the rear window down to the body floor, and as you know 111 1200 "A" including the 1200 Custom model only have a 3/4 headliner. Driving around in these cars is just about as noisy as a 1938 beetle. |
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classiccult
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:27 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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I have seen a few Standard Beetles without the 3-spoke steering wheel. It was possible to order a different steering wheel for 110 Deutsche Mark, see Gute Fahrt Magazine pic:
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Thanks for that post and it points out quite nicely that 1966 is the first year in the standard model ( 1200A ) for the 40hp engine instead of a 36hp fresh air, seat tracks used for the first time instead of the floor stud, claw and wing nut.
There are two things on the car that are incorrect.
1. the drivers outside mirror should be painted L328 steel gray.
2. The steering wheel is a Type 111 "1200 Custom" model type instead of the three spoke type. VW started using the 1956-1959 deluxe steering wheels on 1200 Custom models in 1961. See this on page 3 of this thread topic for pictures of my 65 type 111 "A" Sedan 1200 Custom. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:18 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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I found another advertisement for the 1200A model.
Additional equipment available.
1. Folding ragtop.
2. Chrom trim, two-spoke steering wheel.
Steering wheel number 113415651A. Looking to the parts catalog ...
M01: model 111
The steering wheel has a small modification. There are two threaded holes for self canceling ring.
And this is how it looks in my car:
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Helfen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| classiccult wrote: |
I have seen a few Standard Beetles without the 3-spoke steering wheel. It was possible to order a different steering wheel for 110 Deutsche Mark, see Gute Fahrt Magazine pic:
| Helfen wrote: |
Thanks for that post and it points out quite nicely that 1966 is the first year in the standard model ( 1200A ) for the 40hp engine instead of a 36hp fresh air, seat tracks used for the first time instead of the floor stud, claw and wing nut.
There are two things on the car that are incorrect.
1. the drivers outside mirror should be painted L328 steel gray.
2. The steering wheel is a Type 111 "1200 Custom" model type instead of the three spoke type. VW started using the 1956-1959 deluxe steering wheels on 1200 Custom models in 1961. See this on page 3 of this thread topic for pictures of my 65 type 111 "A" Sedan 1200 Custom. |
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I'm sure the factory could be accommodating. My 65 111 "A" 1200 custom and not being the Canadian version was ordered and picked up at the factory with Towel rack bumpers, and U.S. spec. headlamps. Unfortunately the original owner ( who I knew) forgot to order a MPH speedo, U.S. spec. windshield, and all red rear taillamp assys. So when the car finally got here after a tour of Europe it got stuck in U.S. Customs to have those things changed. Fortunately Customs let the owner keep the original parts except the windshield and I put them back on the car.
Just a special note. the 111 "A" and the 111 "A" 1200 Customs that were equipped with the chrome towel rack bumpers are easily be recognized quickly because the lower bumper brackets are the same as the painted Euro style and chrome Euro style brackets such as they are the two piece bracket instead of the deluxe three piece reinforced bracket. Also the brackets are painted in L-326 steel gray just like the "A's" painted bumper, in and outer door handles Boot handle and deck lid handle. Bumper brackets on a deluxe are L-91 silver gray. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| VW_RaF wrote: |
I found another advertisement for the 1200A model.
Additional equipment available.
1. Folding ragtop.
2. Chrom trim, two-spoke steering wheel.
Steering wheel number 113415651A. Looking to the parts catalog ...
M01: model 111
The steering wheel has a small modification. There are two threaded holes for self canceling ring.
And this is how it looks in my car:
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Your car appears to have a deluxe vent wing and channel. The "A" sedan and the 1200"A" Custom cars have those parts painted in the body color.
See page 3 of my 65 111 "A" 1200 Custom and my friends 66 115 "A" ragtop sunroof. |
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VW_RaF
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:36 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| Helfen wrote: |
Your car appears to have a deluxe vent wing and channel. The "A" sedan and the 1200"A" Custom cars have those parts painted in the body color.
See page 3 of my 65 111 "A" 1200 Custom and my friends 66 115 "A" ragtop sunroof. |
You are absolutely right. The car is not finished yet  |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:39 am Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| Helfen wrote: |
Your car appears to have a deluxe vent wing and channel. The "A" sedan and the 1200"A" Custom cars have those parts painted in the body color.
See page 3 of my 65 111 "A" 1200 Custom and my friends 66 115 "A" ragtop sunroof. |
You are absolutely right. The car is not finished yet |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| bnam wrote: |
Did 68 Euro standards use 67 style decklid and apron or the later 68 style (or the earlier 66 style)?
And, what about the outside door handles?
Thanks! |
I found these pics on the internet. They seem to confirm that the 1968 1200a used 1967 decklid plus 1968 door handles.
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Helfen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| bnam wrote: |
Did 68 Euro standards use 67 style decklid and apron or the later 68 style (or the earlier 66 style)?
And, what about the outside door handles?
Thanks! |
I found these pics on the internet. They seem to confirm that the 1968 1200a used 1967 decklid plus 1968 door handles.
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And older style tail lamps |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| eurodub wrote: |
My 65 standard ragtop with that hole in the roof is even noisier than a "normal" 38
question: does the 65 std ragtop have the folding ragtop handle or the older version? and what about the finishing? mine has the folding handle from golde in chrome. i am sure it's the original... the ragtop mechanism appears not to have been removed from the car in its lifetime.. but i thought they were painted not chrome? |
My 65 also has the golde in chrome.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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Looks like 1969 1200s (I read somewhere that 1200a terminology was dropped after 1968 as Deluxe 1200s were not offered after that) also used 1967 decklids and were largely similar to 68s. One change I noticed is the speedo. The 68 uses the early 60s style speedo, while the 69 uses a newer style speedo but without fuel gauge.
Pics from internet
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This option m110 seems to indicate that Canadian Customs were based on Typ 111 until 68 and Typ 113 after that.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 European Standard, what was OG |
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| bnam wrote: |
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Did 68 Euro standards use 67 style decklid and apron or the later 68 style (or the earlier 66 style)?
And, what about the outside door handles?
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I found these pics on the internet. They seem to confirm that the 1968 1200a used 1967 decklid plus 1968 door handles.
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Do you know what the part is 1/3 of the way down the front door edge?
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