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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 5943 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:27 am Post subject: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I've been working on the roof of my '57 23-window, and I got to thinking: why did the factory not add 2 more roof windows over the last two side windows?
That got me to thinking why the 2 rear-most windows are not popouts, but that's probably because of the jailbars - just a theory.
Yes, I know people had added the extra roof windows, the like Foosed-up HotDog Fred bus. No, I am not going to do that on mine. _________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 11004
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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thom wrote: |
I've been working on the roof of my '57 23-window, and I got to thinking: why did the factory not add 2 more roof windows over the last two side windows?
That got me to thinking why the 2 rear-most windows are not popouts, but that's probably because of the jailbars - just a theory.
Yes, I know people had added the extra roof windows, the like Foosed-up HotDog Fred bus. No, I am not going to do that on mine. |
I think you answered your own question. Because it would look Fooses-up. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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ryans65 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2016 Posts: 1263 Location: Yulee FL
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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Your answer lies in the number 23. |
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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 5943 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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ryans65 wrote: |
Your answer lies in the number 23. |
So it has to be prime?
https://interestingengineering.com/weird-enchanting-facts-number-23 _________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
1965 E-Type |
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PeteSC Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 881
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I suppose economics may have played into it; perhaps the VW brass didn't think it added any real enhancement to incur the production expense to have skylights over a cargo area. Along those lines maybe they even thought that some would appreciate NOT having constant sun exposure there if transporting perishables, etc. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3850 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I think the answer lies in the HDF foosed thread, something along the lines of: because there's nobody sitting back there to enjoy the view out the skylight... (I'm paraphrasing, of course). I suppose the same logic applies to the popouts in the rear hatch area. |
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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 5943 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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Busstom wrote: |
because there's nobody sitting back there to enjoy the view out the skylight |
This explanation makes the most sense to me. _________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
1965 E-Type |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9915 Location: idaho
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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hitest wrote: |
I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. _________________ .
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flemcadiddlehopper Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2011 Posts: 2332 Location: Kelowna, BC. Canada.
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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How about pop-out skylight windows?
Take that and run with it Foose.
Gordo. _________________ Everybody Dies....Some Never Live.
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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Lind wrote: |
hitest wrote: |
I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Some people have stinky clothes. |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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campingbox wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
hitest wrote: |
I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Some people have stinky clothes. |
Were the windows there before it went to Westfalia? Just curious, cause me camping clothes be gettin dank. _________________
EverettB wrote: |
I wonder what the nut looks like.
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ryans65 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2016 Posts: 1263 Location: Yulee FL
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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 5943 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
How about pop-out skylight windows?
Take that and run with it Foose.
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There was a bus in the whines a few years ago with popout skylights _________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
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obus Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2001 Posts: 11069 Location: just off Garden State Parkway Exit 81
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19672 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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Lind wrote: |
hitest wrote: |
I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Or keeping your linens fresh. _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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oakman Samba Member
Joined: February 05, 2014 Posts: 1715 Location: Edge of the Desert, Ca
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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crofty wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
hitest wrote: |
I don't know if I've ever seen a pop out window installed on any VW model that was not immediately next to a seat. They were there for access and ventilation. But a trunk full of Costco fixins and feminine products blocks access to any pop out in the trunk area. Just a hunch. |
They put popouts in the closet on westfalia campers. Not exactly next to a seat, but necessary for ventilation if you shove one of the kids into the closet for a time-out. |
Or keeping your linens fresh. |
In one of my flipseat brochures it states that the closet pop-out is for exactly that; keeping your linens fresh.
Why is the other pop-out on "standard flipseats" behind the driver and backward?
Back to the topic.. Have you ever been in a sunroof deluxe on a warm sunny day? 23 windows is more than plenty. No where to hide from the sun blasting in at all angles _________________ Brandon |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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thom wrote: |
Busstom wrote: |
because there's nobody sitting back there to enjoy the view out the skylight |
This explanation makes the most sense to me. |
ya. Since that area was for luggage, no pop out windows there from Factory.
normal equipment was 2 pop outs- the 3rd window each side. 6 was a option. This was where the passengers in the back could open them. So when Westfalia installed a camper kit there were already 2 or 6 pop out windows in teh bus.
Many SO-42s had M108, which meant from the VW factory they got a fixed glass in the closet. 'without 5 side windows'.
Westfalia evidently installed five jalousies. Early bay westys had fixed windows in the closet there. I suppose in the late 60s they thought your linen was fresh.
I had a 21 and on a hot sunny day was very tempted to rattle can paint over the drivers skylight. I no longer own a skylight bus. |
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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Clara wrote: |
Many SO-42s had M108, which meant from the VW factory they got a fixed glass in the closet. 'without 5 side windows'.
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Exactly
My so42 has a fixed window (and no evidence of pop-out mounts) at the closet. _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14266 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Rhetorical question: why 23-windows and not 25? |
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I figured the later Westy with fixed glass was to keep people from kyping the closet. |
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