Correct Spark Plug Wires for All Years of Type 3- Interest?

[Tram]

With our chatter about correct spark plug wires for our Type 3s, both recently and in the past, I have been working and searching to find a source for correct Beru branded ends and also sheathing in blue, red, and black so the cables themselves aren't labeled with incorrect aftermarket branding.

I FINALLY happened on a source for the correct Beru ends, and a source that carries what looks to be a good quality red, blue, and black heat shrink.

So- I'll be able to offer correct wires in the following configurations:

BLUE for 1961- 1964 side draft engines

RED for 1964 "S" engines

BLACK for all 1965- on engines

Black with L- Connectors at distributor for 1968- on FI engines.
Note that the "L" connectors are straight out rather than the slight downward tilt of the originals.

I will be making these up with a straight copper core cable option if you want less stress on your restored 6v or 12v black coil.

Prices will be in the $100- 180 range depending on cable and end options. Beru is MIGHTY proud of their L- cable ends at the cap... as much as $20 each... but they last and last. Realistically 100K miles should be reasonable on these wire sets unless you break a bakelite spark plug end. I'll try to keep some extra stock around for replacements.

Yes, it's a little steep, but you can replace your EMPIs every year instead if the price really bothers you. Their clear distributor caps are pretty cool also.

I'm going to make up a few sets for myself first and a blue set for an amigo who has been driving me bat shit crazy with wrong wires on his early T34 and I owe a favor to, then we'll see if there's any interest before I buy a whole bunch of stock.

A word of caution, though... I have no idea how long the Beru parts will be available. It took a long time to find them.

Let me know if you are interested, and how many sets of which color/ cable type and if they are for an FI car or not you're interested in. Interest doesn't denote a commitment just yet.

Thanks!
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[raygreenwood]

Ray

[Jason37]

I’d be interested in a set for my 63.

[KTPhil]

Steep, and I have a decent Bosch set on the car now... but when they finally go bad (or more likely, get damaged), I'll be hurting'. Consider me a "maybe" for now and I'll stay tuned. Early '71 Fastback.

I thought all SP leads were stranded copper wire, but am I hearing correctly that the center coil lead is graphite?

What about resistances at the plug end's connectors?

[Username1]

I would be interested in a set
1964 S notchback here

following this thread

thanks!

[blues90]

[Tram]

Well, I got a couple sets of the Beru wires in to play with. The "Attaboy" is that the blue heat shrink seems the dead nuts correct hue of blue, the "Aw, Shit" is that the wire ends are no longer labeled "Beru", which is a minor thing I suppose, since they're not visible when installed anyhow... but still annoying.

Let me test the wires and the ends for resistance with my Fluke when I get some time. Meanwhile, I will build a couple test sets.

These all seem like copper wires. Resistance tests will tell all.

Looks like we have possibly a few takers so I will try to keep everyone posted. My direct email is [email protected] if I don't surface on here for a few days.
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[Erik G]

this thread needs pics
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I need a set of blue wires for a 61
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Mr. Trammuel, I will ve needing two of them fancy sets for ‘65 and on engines.

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[beisenho]

The BMW airhead/boxer motorcycles use what looks to me like the same BERU 90 degree ends. I believe the ones that suppliers still get have "BERU" written on them, and you can get the 1K or 5K Ohm resistance (the boxer engines are very picky, maybe because of the wasted spark system).

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but if you'd like a source or two, let me know. I don't know anything about stock wiring.

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I'll drop off my '69 FI square & you can use it for your first set/template.
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Yep blue please
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[notchboy]

Where does it say or show wire colors? I know you've been jaw jacking about this for years, but I never seen the proof or goods?

Not being a smart ass, more of a dumb ass as Im ignorant to it and gots to know man!

That should make for some nice pics
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[Erik G]

I know of an ultra ultra low mile 63 or 64 beetle with blue wires. I think it's had maybe one oil change, they are definitely original to the car
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[notchboy]

Oh. Nice, so it's a George memory thing. Ok, I'm game to help try and backfill that void you call a brain.

Bob Walton still has my early PN book so I cant look it up and am to lazy at the moment to search for the link.

Unfortunately, press photos here are all B&W. I did find this, but I bet its display is representative rather than actual? This is a 62 brochure.

A 63 Brochure.

Another 63 with the old 62 cutaway and a pan mounted 63.

The BIG 63 Brochure.

Ahh, looky here - same brochure, just in a working car? Gray/blue??

And the same on the square.

Ah, now a 64. Looks blue.

Different scan.

So now onto 65 brochure.

Now onto 66.

Here is what those crazy Australians posted up in their brochure for 66.

Now Canada for 66.

A nice German factory shot of a Standard motor being tested for a T3.

A german shot of a 66 Standard.

Random side note for 66. Look how its marked for USA on the front cowl. Easy viewpoint for the line workers to know what to install. I love Mrs.Ferganoust's PPE. Saftey, steel-toed flats with fire retardant, non-static polyester patterned smock. Required wear - see the other in the background. Back in the good old days when it was your fault for standing there when the bracket broke loose from the chain line above, smacking your mellon causing you to forget your children's birthdays.

Back onto a Candian for 67. Rehash photo from 66?

The Germans post for 67 - re-pop pic?

Back to a English version - German 67.

......and then looks to contradict itself in the same publication?

1968 was a lot of rehash of 67's pics. Here below is one in black on a now available FI motor.

So, If I were to go by just these as examples.....

1) Yes, there are blue and red wires on these earliest of examples.
2) Were they just for show? Untile there are pics of early cars with colored wires that are not EMPI or some after marker derived "hot wires" it will be hard to say.

Lots of the continuing yearly pics in these advertising brochures where the salvaged rehashed shots used for a span (from what I just saw) of 5 years at times. Typical VW advert stuff we typically see. I only pulled color shots of what I think are true pics - not colorized.

Since we see actual red and blue wires on official VW docs, maybe this will nudge some of you to be pro-active in finding more. That cavity that sits on Mr.Stoffers head is pretty cavernous. Some of the useful space is clouded over from Bourbon, Cigar smoke & Weed resin. The rest is overshadowed by his genetic problem that carries tendencies to "be right". Some of you may be asking why Im being a bit harsh towards the man and his recollections? Well, that's because I don't like him, most people don't like him. He actually is a gem of a person and we are truly blessed to have him. Just ask him, he will tell you all about it.

Another closer for you out there. I found this perfect example of why some of the last later Baby Boomers and for sure Gen X'ers like myself look at today's youth and wonder why we see weenies and loafers. I think its due to the lack of scars. You never were toughened up emotionally or physically. One of my favorite ones is when my kids would assume we had remotes in our house growing up. I would tell them, yep we sure did, me! Even if I was in the next room or outside. JASON! Come here and turn it to channel 4, Merve Griffin is on.

What do we see in the pic below? I see Frank and Geri, the gay couple that lived down the street from us. We were friends with them but never spoke about why two guys lived together or that they were even our friends. They were invited to bbq's, but us kids were never told why they were friendly with each other after a few drinks.

Mom is sobbing over in the chair because she has already drunk too much. She hates camping, absolutely despises the dirt and the bugs. She only did it because we children absolutely go bonkers at the mere mention of a tent! But she is a trooper that can only carry so much. Four bottles of wine too much.

Dad yelled at her because Geri pulled up with Frank to show the dead deer they bagged. He didn't want her to embarrass us. See how Geri casually show dad the loaded Remington?

Nevermind the boy who is freaked out a bit that Bambi is laying on Franks hood or that the girl stands there wondering why mommy has been acting sooo happy now she is very sad. That's right. Welcome to 1970.

We had no safe zone. We weren't allowed to say our friends were gay or that we even knew them. Everyone had a gun and everyone drank and smoked and were allowed to get away with actions that get you thrown in jail today. It was a real struggle y'all. But we somehow survived and raised you. The kinder, more self-aware youth that we complain about.

I am the first person to tell a complainer of today's youth, we raised them. I just thought some of you would see the humor in this pic below. It does tic a lot of boxes that I was exposed to in my youth.

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[KTPhil]

Gold!