1972 with 1600 cc engine. I need some specialists!!!

[ben_dubai]

Hello Baywindow people,

Ok I am getting lost. I bought a 1972 Baywindow Bus (US/Canada Version as far as I know) 2 years back. I good a good deal on it but I knew it needs some work. No I am doing a full restoration and struggle with several things. Please help me if you have the answers

1. VIN number
The Vin is 2222057854. I checked several VIN sites also here on Samba but is seems there is no Bus with 2222 starting. Any idea?

2. Engine number
The number is U5064710. What I could fine out is that its a US/Canada M239 Fuel Injection. Is this the original engine to this Bus.

3. Engine bay
Here is my biggest problem. As mentioned the Bus will be restored and it seems like some wannabe mechanic somehow put that engine in the Bus. I post some pictures here and always put my question below.

3.1 Engine Cover Sheet towards Bus body
In the Picture below you see the blue marked area. This sheet is self made and just wrong. Also you can see a massive gap between engine and the sheet. I looked the internet up and down and found the following item (please check link). Is this the part I need?
https://eu.vwheritage.com/211119598-engine-tinware-kit-front-rear-1600cc-vw-spare

3.2. Engine mounts
Ok looking underneath the Bus I found these ridiculous engine mounts (see red arrow). I mean there is no way VW made it like this??? Please can anybody advise or send me a pic of how it should look like.

I am really looking forward towards you support and hope you can enlighten me with some info on this Bus.

Thanks Ben

[SGKent]

it appears your bus originally had a 1972 type 4 motor in it. The mounts do look home made but probably work fine. You will never restore that bus to original without replacing the motor with an original one but you can make it look nice and enjoy it with that engine.

222 is a beginning prefix for a 1972 bus (7 or 9 passenger).

From type 2.com:

[TomWesty]

That motor mount setup looks like it should work okay. The tinware from vwheritage looks correct to me, but I would get a second opinion from a European bus owner as well.
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[ben_dubai]

Hello SKKent,

Thanks for you reply. So you mean there is no original sheet metal I could buy in order to fit that engine properly in? So basically I need to custom make the sheet to close the gap to engine etc?
But I thought also the 1972 came with a 1600 engine for a while or is my engine just a different 1600 not fitting the Bus?

[alman72]

[kreemoweet]

[aeromech]

Read this thread

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=483408&highlight=installing+type
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[ben_dubai]

Thank you so much everybody. This was soooooo helpful and all my open questions are answered. Its really great to have your support and knowledge. Will post a pic once finished

Regards
Ben

[bus guy]

In Europe we got the upright engine through 79. That tinware is the stuff you need - fortunately it is now being reproduced, as it used to be unobtainable. Your bus has the 68-71 rear support bar - the 72-79 Euro has a different bar and mounts that bolt to the frame - I probably have some mount brackets and bar somewhere but shipping would be steep from the UK. If you need any advice about parts etc feel free to DM me.

[Wildthings]

I think your engine mounts are going to give problems. A second bolt through the frame rail lower down would help stabilize the mount, but the mount is still going to be flimsy and subject to bending and/or fatigue failure.

[TomWesty]

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