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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

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The current trans in it is the long axle 1967. I have a set of axles from an earlier style trans.
Does anyone know how much shorter the early axles are vs. the 67's?

I do!
The difference is just over 29mm.
If yer like me and want to know exactly. . . it is actually 1.153"!

BTW . . . Keep up the GREAT work . . . yer Bug is lookin' good!!! Cool

LMK if ya want the measurements for the rag graft.


Thanks!
Sure I'd love the measurments
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

From the windshield to the sunroof opening... Almost exactly 5 7/8 inches... this is a roof from a 56, but 1957 is the same...
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Center the clip, right to left, and you'll be good to go!

BTW... that same dimension on my '62 is less than 5 3/8"!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Thanks man...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

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Time to address the apron.
Stripped and hammered straight.
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I'm doing a Euro clone so I welded the towel bar bracket holes closed
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Hi Larry,

Just curious if you intended to install the later era "three finger" front apron piece on this Oval instead of the "four finger" Oval version. I figure that you planned it that way, but just in case you didn't know, I thought I'd mention it. Your fabbing skills are awesome! Nice work, fun to watch!

Your STL neighbor,

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

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Hi Larry,

Just curious if you intended to install the later era "three finger" front apron piece on this Oval instead of the "four finger" Oval version. I figure that you planned it that way, but just in case you didn't know, I thought I'd mention it. Your fabbing skills are awesome! Nice work, fun to watch!

Your STL neighbor,

Bill


Hey Bill,
Actually, my name is Mike...Larry (Aircool67) is a friend of mine that has me work on his cars. This oval is my personal project...the other 2 build threads are for his cars. His little 67 Beetle I restored for him a few years ago and the 62 SC I'm currently doing.
Anyway, I ran the 3 finger apron because it was what I had. It was part of the 1960 front clip that's on it now. You'll probably also notice that the brake reservoir shelf has the 3 reinforcements as opposed to the oval correct two as well. I wish I had good, Oval era German metal to work with but my budget didn't allow it. This is actually a Frankenstein car (hence the name)...I'm just trying to make it as nice and close to correct as possible. I'm avoiding cheap aftermarket metal as much as possible by using 4 parts cars to build this one.

Ultimately, I want to find a complete unmolested oval some day that needs some love that I can do a correct nut and bolt resto to.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Nice work Mike . . . nice save on the apron!
Did ya get those "short-axles" installed yet?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

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Nice work Mike . . . nice save on the apron!
Did ya get those "short-axles" installed yet?


Thanks!

Nope on the axles. The Bug is currently hibernating in the barn while I'm back to working on my buddy Larry's SC.
It's like rotating stock. Keeping the spiders confused as to their correct address Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Your body revival work, by stitching in as much German parts as possible is extremely interesting to follow. I have no welding skills (tried MIG welding on a Ghia 30 yrs ago but failed) so your work is all the more impressive.

Since you have the '67 chassis from the '58 which has the tunnel mounts for safety belts, have you considered adding the outer lap belt mount, as well as a shoulder belt mount? Do you still have the '67's body or B-pillar from which you could pirate those? If you continue with the semaphore graft work, you could position a '67 or later shoulder belt mount so that the bolt is just below the bottom of the semaphore box. I had this done by a skilled body man/welder I hired on my Zwitter body 25 yrs ago, by using the shoulder belt mounting bars I detached from a '74 parts car. If you want to stay with a vintage hotrod look, consider installing manual 3-point belts; maybe even aircraft style.

Also, be prepared to struggle installing a dual-port engine into the tight engine bay due to the H apron, narrow width/side ledges; and the front bulkhead shape. The '60 and earlier bulkhead does not allow for the fresh-air heater boxes to slide forward when installing the engine. The tops of the HB will hit the bulkhead lower edges. What I did on my '56 oval 30 yrs ago was install the engine with the HB off, then install the HB once the engine was in place. Make sure your 4 front head studs' threads are in good shape (M8 x 1.25 mm die) and coat the threads with anti-seize for easy removal in future. I realize this is a long time in your future, but just be prepared.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Rome wrote:
Your body revival work, by stitching in as much German parts as possible is extremely interesting to follow. I have no welding skills (tried MIG welding on a Ghia 30 yrs ago but failed) so your work is all the more impressive.

Since you have the '67 chassis from the '58 which has the tunnel mounts for safety belts, have you considered adding the outer lap belt mount, as well as a shoulder belt mount? Do you still have the '67's body or B-pillar from which you could pirate those? If you continue with the semaphore graft work, you could position a '67 or later shoulder belt mount so that the bolt is just below the bottom of the semaphore box. I had this done by a skilled body man/welder I hired on my Zwitter body 25 yrs ago, by using the shoulder belt mounting bars I detached from a '74 parts car. If you want to stay with a vintage hotrod look, consider installing manual 3-point belts; maybe even aircraft style.

Also, be prepared to struggle installing a dual-port engine into the tight engine bay due to the H apron, narrow width/side ledges; and the front bulkhead shape. The '60 and earlier bulkhead does not allow for the fresh-air heater boxes to slide forward when installing the engine. The tops of the HB will hit the bulkhead lower edges. What I did on my '56 oval 30 yrs ago was install the engine with the HB off, then install the HB once the engine was in place. Make sure your 4 front head studs' threads are in good shape (M8 x 1.25 mm die) and coat the threads with anti-seize for easy removal in future. I realize this is a long time in your future, but just be prepared.


I appreciate your input Rome.

I'm a self taught welder. I used to have a partner 20+ years ago that did the welding part of the restorations, but he left high and dry in the middle of a chopped top project on a 1948 Ford sedan. I had to learn real quick how to do it.

I'm glad you mentioned the fitment issues...I had no idea. I've never had a Bug earlier than a 1961. Always shoved dual ports in them and the only issues were trying to get 12v flywheels into 6v housings.
I will definitely follow your advise when the time comes.

Yes I will take advantage of the seat belt mounts and am planning on a shoulder belt of some sort. The aircraft style belts are an interesting concept.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

It's very inspirational to follow your work.
Please keep the updates coming! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

This project is still alive and well...been collecting parts.
Here's the latest Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Fantastic metal creation with a reborn oval
Keep the good work going
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

I have been going back and forth on what carb and manifold to run, then I ran across this.
It fits my build theme perfectly.
A Zenith NDIX and a vintage Deano Dyno-Soars manifold. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Still collecting...

Nice early cast iron 010 distributor

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

...and still collecting
Uber-cool NOS VDO warning gauge/light

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Been awhile...
Been busy building a 62 Single Cab (see link in my profile)
but this project is still alive and kickin'

Staying with the "poor man" way of doing things. I have an oval deck lid but it's rusty on top and missing an inch or two.
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I sacrificed a solid lid from a 67 I had and lopped off the top couple inches.
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I'll graft this section in to save the "W" lid
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

Nice save on that W deck lid! You had to cut DEEP to get into some good metal. Was the hinge carrier on the donor lid the same as the early one? Strange that the top was so crusty...was it sitting in the dirt?
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You can never have too many vice grips!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

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Nice save on that W deck lid! You had to cut DEEP to get into some good metal. Was the hinge carrier on the donor lid the same as the early one? Strange that the top was so crusty...was it sitting in the dirt?



It sat upside down leaning on a barn for years outside before I got it. It came with the oval body I'm using on this project.
Budget on this one is next to nothing, so it's a perfect candidate.

Yes, I compared the two hinge carriers and there are small differences in the two, but it's just that they added more metal in critical areas by '67. Not 100% sure on the spring plate since the W lid's was gone. It's marked 55-56 but I believe the 1955 was the big spring still?, I'll just use the later spring since this is a 56 body.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: 1956 Oval Build "Franky" Reply with quote

The fab work your are doing on this project is an inspiration and keeps me plugging along on my '55 standard project. I'm teaching myself to mig on scrap and junk parts and seeing the fitment and repair you are doing on this is way impressive. Thanks for posting this project and keeping the updates coming. Great work!
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