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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:39 pm Post subject: Gas heater removal |
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Hi folks,
I'm looking at a bug that has a B2 gas heater installed. I was wondering what would be involved in removing it and converting back to the stock heating system?
Thanks. _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24759 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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You should post images of the gas heater in question.
Stock system would not be out of commission with a gas heater properly installed. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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_________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24759 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Looks like the VW dealer proper install. Does it have the ducting up under the dash to warm your knees?
So far would suggest you just leave the gas heater in place. It is a neat piece to your VW and does not affect the trunk space that much. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Looks like the VW dealer proper install. Does it have the ducting up under the dash to warm your knees?
So far would suggest you just leave the gas heater in place. It is a neat piece to your VW and does not affect the trunk space that much. |
Thanks....don't know about the ducting. Haven't viewed the car in person yet. _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24759 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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[quote="rcroane"]
Eric&Barb wrote: |
Thanks....don't know about the ducting. Haven't viewed the car in person yet. |
If you are serious about that bug, get an image showing the area up under the dash. The more complete the gas heater the better!
Should be something like this:
Even if you never drive it on the Winter salted roads, it is nice to be able to get the interior so nice and toasty before you leave the drive way. Instead of chilling out for the first mile to just see the windshield start to clear of the condensation with the stock heating system on a cold 40-50F Spring/Fall morn.
Stock heating system rocks three or so miles after you leave your place, out on the open road/highway doing 30+ MPH for as quick as possible interior heated. As opposed to if you have to do a lot of stop and go thru town, which makes for longer time for the stock heater to really get going. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Id be inclined to keep this cool correct vintage accessory installed, working or not. It increases the cars value, upon removal, you will be left with holes in the body, which will decrease value.
Bug On! The Heat is On! _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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I fully agree with Bluebus Robert- a gas heater is a neat piece when installed, but the repair of the holes is very difficult to get looking right from top and bottom. In other words, the repair would far exceed the swap value of ditching the heater. _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Thanks, guys. I also learned that the car has J tubes. I’m not too familiar with that set up, but my understanding is that it means it has no heater boxes. Could that set up be easily converted to a heater box set up? _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9767 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Eliminating "J" tube is easy. If the seller didn't remove the under seat heater ducts. all the way back to the Bakelite connectors under the rear package tray.
Just search the classifieds for a suitable replacement set of heater boxes and warm air ducts (in the correct size) for the year of car. It won't be real expensive to source.
I'd get that Esparger heater in good running condition and use it. If it were mine.
I detest foggy windows on my short drive to work in the wet winter months here. Just about the time I hit the parking garage entrance. I get a little heat. Not much!
Good Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Thanks. Here's a photo of the under dash vent.
_________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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J tubes can be replaced with the heat exchangers. However sometimes a highly modified big motor will have larger exhaust ports, hence the need for larger pipes than a stock heat exchanger. there are J tube type versions of heat exchangers with bigger pipes in them, but they lack the aluminum fins inside so dont heat as well. for a stock motor, the heat exchangers should bolt right up. Of course you need the correct fan house and related rear tin piece and hoses. You will also want a stock type muffler
What year car, what year engine, what fan house??
the bakalite parts under the rear seat are not needed on early cars without the rear seat heat vents.
Shoot and post an engine photo, and muffler photo so we can see what you may need to convert.
Bug On! _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Here's a shot of the engine.....I'll have to request one of the muffler set up. Car is a '64....engine is 1600 DP.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24759 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Get a set of original VW German made heat exchangers then, and get them fixed up. The repro HEs made/sold to day are junk. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24759 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Engine is missing some of the tin. Engine lid latch striker plate looks homemade. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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good news is your fan house is the one you need for the stock heater, the rear tin is not, but that is a simple inexpensive piece.
We will need to see the muffler, to see if it is the correct type.
Bug On! in Warmth! _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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rcroane wrote: |
Thanks. Here's a photo of the under dash vent.
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You have the wrong rated fuses installed, some to big, this is a fire hazard!
Check for your year model (what year Bug is it?) but what you have installed now is not correct for any year Bug!
Bug On, Correctly Fused! _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24759 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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bluebus86 wrote: |
You have the wrong rated fuses installed, some to big, this is a fire hazard! |
Do keep in mind that the OP has not bought the VW yet. Definitely a wiring fire hazard! _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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cn63bug Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2011 Posts: 114 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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rcroane wrote: |
Here's a shot of the engine.....I'll have to request one of the muffler set up. Car is a '64....engine is 1600 DP.
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Apron looks like it was replaced at one time with a 65-66 style apron to me. Thus the modified catch for the T-handle latching assembly. |
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Gas heater removal |
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Sorry...should have updated sooner. We took a pass on this car. I did notice the odd array of fuses...never got a chance to ask the owner about them. _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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