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TonkaJim Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2019 Posts: 32 Location: Minnetonka, MN
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:43 pm Post subject: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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I just bought a ‘72 in mid-restoration. It has body work and new paint, some interior work and a rebuilt longblock (which was put in the car, but never run). The previous owner tells me the it is 1976cc (although I know that’s wrong), but has no paperwork and can’t remember any other details including where he got it (I’ve contacted a few engine builders with no luck). The engine block is an AH code, so I think it was a ‘73 - ‘74 1800cc.
I finished off the engine including reconnected the electrical, tore down and cleaned the EMPI 40 HPMX carbs, replace the electronic ignition distributor with a Bosch mechanical advance, installed a fuel pressure regulator and cleaned out the fuel system (including new tank).
Even after doing all that, I can’t get it to stay running. It will fire (and cough and pop), but only when I keep pumping the throttle... actually pump the throttle, not just hold it open. Seems like a carb issue to me, but not sure what else to do. I know there’s a lot to consider to get it to run wall (carb size vs. engine size, jetting, timing, etc.), but can’t even get it to idle to check and make adjustments.
I’ve searched the forum and found some great info, but nothing specific to this issue (please point me in the right direction if I missed it). So, any thoughts?
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32592 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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jeffrey8164 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 3817 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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Well if pumping keeps it running, albeit badly, could be idle circuit blocked or vacuum ports not plugged or really bad intake leaks and probably a few other things I’m forgetting. Maybe timing too.
The accelerator pumpers are working and there is fuel and spark as evidenced by the symptoms. Which is good.
As always, triple check your valve lash and get the fuel filter out of the engine compartment. _________________ Volkswagen!
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TonkaJim Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2019 Posts: 32 Location: Minnetonka, MN
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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Thanks!! I'm pretty sure I gave gas and spark, but I'll start working down the list starting with eliminating potential for intake leaks. I took off the carbs, and thus the intake manifolds, several times, so the gaskets may not be doing their job any more. The carbs are new and I tore them apart to clean, so don't think it's a clogged jet, but I'll check.
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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It should idle nicely with dual carbs! Must need to clean them. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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xzener Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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Same problem with my Ghia when I purchased it. It had a bad vacuum leak. After that was resolved, and a quick tune up, she purred like a kitten. Also had bad gas. My mechanic put some octane booster in the tank. I emptied it out and burned it in the lawn mower. _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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Era Vulgaris Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2012 Posts: 1677 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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TonkaJim wrote: |
The previous owner tells me the it is 1976cc (although I know that’s wrong), but has no paperwork and can’t remember any other details including where he got it (I’ve contacted a few engine builders with no luck). The engine block is an AH code, so I think it was a ‘73 - ‘74 1800cc.
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I don't know how you'd get a 1976cc. The closest I think you could do is a 1967cc which is a 92mm bore x 72mm stroke.
73-74 would've been 1600cc from the factory. _________________ Currently own:
66 Karmann Ghia, L390 Gulf Blue, under construction, here: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=760505&highlight=
99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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TonkaJim Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2019 Posts: 32 Location: Minnetonka, MN
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:33 am Post subject: Re: New build won’t idle; have to pump the throttle... |
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Thanks everyone, I got it idling and even went around the block a few times. I think it was a combination of valves (they were out of adjustment), timing (was close, but not quite right) and some trouble with the 3/4 cylinders... which is still an issue, but I will post that in another thread.
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