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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

I need a little advice and opinions from the group.

I have to remove the axle nuts from my Thing and will be replacing the drums with disk brakes. To my knowledge, these nuts have never been removed and they are very stubborn. Iíve already bent a perfectly good bed rail trying to remove one so itís time to look into a real tool for the job.

Itís down to these two:

Torque Multiplier
https://www.jbugs.com/product/16-9602.html

Axel Nut Removal Tool
https://www.jbugs.com/product/5750.html

Both tools will serve double duty for the axle but and the flywheel nut, but from a practicality and safety standpoint I think the torque multiplier will be the better tool. The axle nut removal tool even has a warning about excessive force bending he tool.

But...my plan is to change my lug pattern to 5x4.5 with the disk brakes simply because of the cost and availability of different style wheels. If I do this, Iím pretty sure the torque multiplier will not fit the new lug pattern and Iíll be back to needing some way to re-tighten the nuts.

One site I found sells the second tool with a description indicating that it will fit a bus narrow five lug pattern which is 5x112mm or 5x4.4ish. Would this possibly still fit the 5x4.5?

So my issue is that I want to buy the best tool for the job and if I werenít planning to change lug patterns then the torque multiplier would be the better tool hands down.

Am I misguided in my desire to change lug patterns? Does anyone whoís changed patterns have any thoughts on this?

All opinions and advice are welcome!

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

If you intend to put those nuts back on, and torque them to the proper spec, then use the torque multiplier tool.

The torque multiplier makes for no drama, and very little armstrong.
I imagine that it would not be too difficult to "adapt" the torque multiplier with some flat steel to accommodate your altered lug pattern.

Good luck, Mondshine
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

Thanks Mondshine! I donít know why I didnít think of an adapter plate. I guess a thin piece of plate steel wouldnít offset it enough to create any issues.

Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

The add shows the Torque Multiplier as "Out of Stock" at J Bugs and the price seems a little steep. It is available elsewhere and on EBay.

I do highly recommend the tool...30 seconds and my axle nut was off...I couldn't believe how easy it was.

Also, get some longer lug bolts as the stock ones on my 73 were too short. I just used some metric bolts with matching thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

I use the Torque multiplier and won't use anything else. Most civilized way of doing things. Make sure you don't over torque because the multipliers can snap an axle. Ditto on the lug nuts. Make sure they're not too long either.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

be wary of some of the versions of the torque multiplier. I bought a 'Torque Meister' that has worked perfectly for torquing UP rear axle nuts, but doesn't like to undo them.

I think the problem was partly that the nuts were on over tightly, but also the cast (as opposed to machined) teeth on the tool are not that well formed. As a result - coupled with the play in the mechanism - the teeth slipped.

I ended up using a 3-foot long breaker-bar with a 1" drive socket (this was a replacement for the 3/4" drive bar I broke last time I did this job...). my 200+lb weight at 3' was enough to break the nuts lose without using a cheater bar.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

The axle nut on a Bus is 46mm vs the one on a Bug/ghia/Thing being 36mm. If you get one for a bus, it's not likely to work.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice everyone. I found a site that had the Empi brand tool so I suppose that will be a quality tool...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Axel nut removal and lug patterns Reply with quote

ICTrains wrote:
Thanks for the advice everyone. I found a site that had the Empi brand tool so I suppose that will be a quality tool...


Empi is a brand to be avoided for most stuff, can't say how their torque multiplier compares to others though.
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