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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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I believe the Bug and Ghia (and Type 3) all use the same box. If your mechanic can't get one, find a new mechanic. |
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Cptn. Calzone Samba Member
Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1855 Location: S>E>Alabama
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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So after all of this and it is awesome info SHOULD one decide to rebuild...what is the best purchased box for a T-3? Some of us do not have the time to rebuild one and however do need a good unit.Thanks all _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5998 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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I don't think there are any other than TRW and the even crappier Chinese ones out there.
Sometimes Tim has a classified ad up for one that he rebuilt, that would be your best bet if you don't want to or can't rebuild your own. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
2000 Kawasaki W650 |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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monikober wrote: |
Where can I find a steering gear box for a 1971 Karmann Ghia. My mechanic said no TRW......Help |
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rbsurfguy Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2008 Posts: 1757 Location: Fairfax, Northern Virginia Formerly Huntington Beach, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Maybe I've missed it, but can someone tell me what type of lubricant to put into the box? Mine appears to be leaking, original on my Ghia, so I will likely have to replace the gasket(s). Will then need to re-lube, so if anyone can "steer me" onto the right product, would be appreciated.
Jeff _________________ 1971 Ghia convertible (Body off rebuild)
2019 VW Atlas 4Motion
2012 Passat-Sold
See my build on The Samba at:
Jeff's 71 Vert Restoration/Reassembly http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight= |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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CORN HEAD GREASE, BABAY!! Whoo Hoo!!
_________________ Bus Motor Build
What’s That Noise?!? |
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rbsurfguy Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2008 Posts: 1757 Location: Fairfax, Northern Virginia Formerly Huntington Beach, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Clatter wrote: |
CORN HEAD GREASE, BABAY!! Whoo Hoo!!
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Damn bro, a little early to be lickerd up!!! Though a little corn liquor would be good on a Friday! _________________ 1971 Ghia convertible (Body off rebuild)
2019 VW Atlas 4Motion
2012 Passat-Sold
See my build on The Samba at:
Jeff's 71 Vert Restoration/Reassembly http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight= |
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OKType3Tim Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2011 Posts: 279 Location: Northeast Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Be sure to thoroughly clean out all old grease and replace with
John Deere Corn Head Grease.
such as:
https://smile.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Grease-14...amp;sr=8-3
or available from your local John Deere dealer. _________________ '69 Squareback restoration
'69 Fastback restoration
'66 Type34 |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Back out on the street; they won’t renew my lease.
My landlady stepped in corn head grease!
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rbsurfguy Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2008 Posts: 1757 Location: Fairfax, Northern Virginia Formerly Huntington Beach, SoCal
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Thanks guys, I never heard of Corn Head Grease before, so thought it was a joke, now that I see it online, will be ordering soon. Thanks again. _________________ 1971 Ghia convertible (Body off rebuild)
2019 VW Atlas 4Motion
2012 Passat-Sold
See my build on The Samba at:
Jeff's 71 Vert Restoration/Reassembly http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight= |
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Bala Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2003 Posts: 2613 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Okay, I'm finally back at it!
Installed the adjust screw with CORN HEAD grease. No vertical play, but just a bit of drag. I'd compare it to when you adjust your valves, but slightly tighter. Hope that's to spec.
Shim in place. I just guessed here as I didn't have much to go on. More on this later.
New worm gear being built up with new bearings.
Worm gear assembled and in the box housing.
Lower race in place and centered just right.
Whole assembly pressed into place.
And adjusted to have a slightly rough turn and locked in place
Drop arm installed.
No more assembly pictures. Once you start filling with grease it's a messy job and I was trying to keep my phone relatively clean. But, I dropped the roller gear into place and installed a new seal. Fully assembled box.
Now, Tim, this is where I could use your help. I was struggling with the fine tuning. I made an 11 degree template to check my shim, but without any special VW tools I'm not sure I got it perfect. What do you suggest I do to verify everything is to spec. now that I have it all put together? _________________ 1976 Westy
1966 Beetle |
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OKType3Tim Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2011 Posts: 279 Location: Northeast Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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The maximum no-play zone works out to be a 1/2 turn left to a 1/2 turn right. Minimum of 1/3 turn left to a 1/3 right.
To say another way:
(CP means center point)
drop arm wiggle---|<-1/2 turn left-CP-1/2 turn right-> |---drop arm wiggle
---------------------|-----no drop arm wiggle in here-----|---------------------
If the top adjuster screw is to tight, then it will be hard to turn through the center point.
If the shim is incorrect, then the no wiggle zone will be offset to one side or the other. Example: you turn 1/4 turn right and you get wiggle, but you turn 3/4 left before you get wiggle. For this example you need a thinner shim.
You proceeded correctly, start with the thick shim and work your way thinner. _________________ '69 Squareback restoration
'69 Fastback restoration
'66 Type34 |
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Bala Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2003 Posts: 2613 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Thank you!
Can you define wiggle? It seems difficult to turn the drop arm by hand. If I use the end of the worm gear it's much easier. Of course this is with the box not bolted to anything and just floating free. I could attach it to my beam if you think that would be necessary? _________________ 1976 Westy
1966 Beetle |
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OKType3Tim Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2011 Posts: 279 Location: Northeast Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Yes, you use the worm shaft to turn. But at any position that you turn to, can you feel a very small wiggle in the drop arm? If not, then the adjustment screw is already to tight. Back off the adjustment screw until you can feel the wiggle in the drop arm at any given position. Then adjust to get to what I described in the previous post. _________________ '69 Squareback restoration
'69 Fastback restoration
'66 Type34 |
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Bala Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2003 Posts: 2613 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Ah, okay. I have a very slight wiggle no matter where the drop arm is. It's like 1/2-1 millimeter or so. I'll do some adjusting this weekend and see what I come up with. Thanks! _________________ 1976 Westy
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13mmSpanner Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2019 Posts: 15 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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@OKType3Tim
Are you still selling your kits? I'd like to purchase one but the 'ad' on Samba is 'is currently inactive'? |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Clatter wrote: |
CORN HEAD GREASE, BABAY!! Whoo Hoo!!
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Please.....not to be confused with "corn hole " grease....thats a Bevis and Butthead product....
Ray |
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WindRyder06 Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2015 Posts: 17 Location: Mansfield, TX
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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I would like to buy one of your kits. The ad is not up on the forum. |
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OKType3Tim Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2011 Posts: 279 Location: Northeast Oklahoma
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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Regarding Kits:
Three years ago I expended the effort and $ to have custom shims manufactured, custom gaskets manufactured, found/purchased plugs, purchased quality seals, found someone who found someone who located a box of NOS bearings in the back of a warehouse somewhere in Europe that I could purchase. Enough that I was able to create 100 kits.
It has been a effort of love, but not profit; and I am glad to have done my part.
Now as Mario says in his ads:
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"NOTE: Buy rare stuff if it's available, not if you are in need of..." |
Going forward, if I was to recreate the effort; I would have to have commitments in advance. As a retiree, laying out that many $ to sit around on a shelf for 3 years just can't be done in my case.
Thank you to all who did purchase and thus, have been able to keep their units in good working order. I've enjoyed working with you on this.
And...as always, thoughts and comments are welcome.
Tim _________________ '69 Squareback restoration
'69 Fastback restoration
'66 Type34 |
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Grego in Sac Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2019 Posts: 154 Location: Sac, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild |
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OKType3Tim wrote: |
Regarding Kits:
Three years ago I expended the effort and $ to have custom shims manufactured, custom gaskets manufactured, found/purchased plugs, purchased quality seals, found someone who found someone who located a box of NOS bearings in the back of a warehouse somewhere in Europe that I could purchase. Enough that I was able to create 100 kits.
It has been a effort of love, but not profit; and I am glad to have done my part.
Now as Mario says in his ads:
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"NOTE: Buy rare stuff if it's available, not if you are in need of..." |
Going forward, if I was to recreate the effort; I would have to have commitments in advance. As a retiree, laying out that many $ to sit around on a shelf for 3 years just can't be done in my case.
Thank you to all who did purchase and thus, have been able to keep their units in good working order. I've enjoyed working with you on this.
And...as always, thoughts and comments are welcome.
Tim |
Thank you Tim for all the effort and time you put into this, unfortunately it seems like I am late to the party!
It looks like I can source the seals and top gasket from a vender but would like to know if there is a source for the bearings?
The shims will be another matter but I’m hoping that since my steering box is still tight and just leaking that the internals will still be good enough to reuse and be with in spec.
Again thanks for the very long thread and tons of info. |
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