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sinclair
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 Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:38 am Post subject: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Hi.
I've seen 3 military cars over the years and a few civilian models. It's an odd combination I guess, anyone know how many are left? I seem to remember being told it was around a dozen.
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sgmalt46
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:08 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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try the split window registry. in the archive section at the top of the page. not many that is for sure! I only found 2 51's on the list? standard sunroof anything is rare. oval/ bigwindow/ bus ect... but yes std. sunroof split is a whole different level of rare.
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:33 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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I've found 7 plus 2 zwitters. Any more anyone?
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Mr. OGPaint
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:40 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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There is another zwitter, British military, ordered in medium green. Came from the Kansas barnfind in 2017
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drpete
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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I've found 7 plus 2 zwitters. Any more anyone?
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I feel *very* lucky to have this 11e. It’s in the middle of a full
restoration as the picture shows. It’s going to take some time, but
we’re really looking forward to getting this car on the road! And I’ll
interested to hear of any others that might be driving.
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the dominator
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:02 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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| sinclair wrote: |
I've found 7 plus 2 zwitters. Any more anyone?
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Above picture is the standard ragtop zwitter-project which I recovered after hibernating 30 years in a garage 30km from my place. Am still hunting some missing parts which were "modernized" over the years by PO so for now it continues hibernation in my garage.
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sinclair
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:16 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Above picturer is the standard ragtop zwitter-project which I recovered after hibernating 30 years in a garage 30km from my place. Am still hunting some missing parts which were "modernized" over the years by PO so for now it continues hibernation in my garage.
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Nice. I still have some 60's mods. Hydraulic brake and syncro box from 60-70's but the PO told me when, how and why he did it. I quite like that.
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the dominator
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:51 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Nice. I still have some 60's mods. Hydraulic brake and syncro box from 60-70's but the PO told me when, how and why he did it. I quite like that.
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At one time they had a porsche engine installed so they replaced speedo, enginecover and taillights etc etc  But since that engine has disappeared I will go back to stock as much as possible.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:04 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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I know there is one that is the upstate area of South Carolina. I have lost track of it in recent years but it does exist. I used to own it, sold it back in about 1999 or 2000. It was basket case and missing a lot of stuff but very restorable. It did still have the wing nut seats but it was "upgraded" to hydraulic brakes.
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OvalinAz
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sinclair
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Ovalin AZ/Mr OG Paint.
Thanks for that guys. I'd love to see the birth cert for that one.
M003 is an unidentified option on mine, but all the British military cars seem to have this dash delete and steering mounted ignition/lock so that could be it.
So thats 7 pod 3 zwitters so far
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:15 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Here's another, British army Zwitter by the look of it. Anyone know it?
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sinclair
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:13 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Since my last post I have heard of 2 more splits in Europe. But no pics yet.
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originalo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:26 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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Here is a 1952 standard sunroof I discovered in 2019 in Western Germany. Longterm ownership, some "updates", but matching numbers. As I heard it had recently been sold within Europe. Some more pics in my gallery.
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:43 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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| Fantastic originalo, do you have the birth certificate? |
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:51 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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| For the record, as far as I can tell the original colour for BAoR cars was MID BRONZE GREEN BS223. Also used on the early land rovers. |
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the dominator
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:50 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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what I would like to know,
is there any production numbers of the 11E available? (and more specific zwitter so Oct 1952 - March 1953 (57928 in total as per chassisnumbers)
And maybe one more question: what is the reason for the standard ragtop version to exist in general ? I can't imagine all military issued beetles would be ragtops. I know there is 11A, 11B, 1, 11D, 11E, 11F, 11G, 11H
So what is the background of 11E in military production?
Anyone?
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52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:16 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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what I would like to know,
is there any production numbers of the 11E available? (and more specific zwitter so Oct 1952 - March 1953 (57928 in total as per chassisnumbers)
And maybe one more question: what is the reason for the standard ragtop version to exist in general ? I can't imagine all military issued beetles would be ragtops. I know there is 11A, 11B, 1, 11D, 11E, 11F, 11G, 11H
So what is the background of 11E in military production?
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I don’t know about production numbers. The BOaR cars seem to have started around 1950 in standard form, from 52 onwards a sunroof seems to be added right through to oval production. Maybe there was an advantage to standing up in the car? I just spotted a 54 at a dealers disguised as a deluxe but obviously a standard and with the M003 ignition delete.
So there may be many more BAoR cars out there with their owners none the wiser. |
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:12 am Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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But they did like their ragtops 
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finster
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) |
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why a sunroof standard? why not? the deluxe was about 750dm more than the standard (deluxe 5150dm and standard 4400dm) but the sunroof option was only an extra 250dm - so maybe you couldn't stretch to a deluxe but you could treat yourself a bit...
looks like 2 or 3 in this factory lot circa 1950
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