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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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from below. You have to remove all four bolts and the one that holds it to the steering gear. Then replace the puck and put everything back. The steering may be off by a tiny bit if you rotate the steering at all while that one bolt that holds the clamp to the steering gear. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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Do I remove the one bolt first? How do I keep the column from moving while trying to remove the nuts? _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
70 single cab |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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ivwshane wrote: |
I was then going to try from above but the metal collar/cover isn't large enough to move up the steering column. |
That's odd, you should be able to lift the cover with the column in place on a late bus. Try harder, once it's up you remove the 4 nuts and their bolts and slide the coupler out sideways, no need to remove the yoke from the shaft. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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ivwshane wrote: |
Do I remove the one bolt first? How do I keep the column from moving while trying to remove the nuts? |
Let your backwrench contact the clutch pedal and prevent the shaft from turning.
Never work against the steering lock. I haven't buggered one myself, but Bentley is pretty cautious about it.
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2573 Location: MICHIGAN
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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I observed while Emma and Sven did this job on Big Emma last night.
Late Bay
The steering column has about 3-5 cm if axial play in it. None of the bolts or washers were original. The premium Quality coupler was somewhat munched and one of the bushings had separated from the rubber
I think Big Emma is missing the bushing and ring which keeps the shaft axial
Play minimal. Without that bushing, each steering event flexes the coupling up and it fatigue fails.
Bentley shows that the nuts go on the rubber side, so bolts down from the top and up from the bottom. We used washers and Nylocks M8
Asiab informed me he has seen unmolested busses with all four bolts facing down. _________________ .ssS! |
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GoBigEmma Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2016 Posts: 209 Location: Currently scattered between Mexico and Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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Abscate wrote: |
I observed while Emma and Sven did this job on Big Emma last night.
Late Bay
The steering column has about 3-5 cm if axial play in it. None of the bolts or washers were original. The premium Quality coupler was somewhat munched and one of the bushings had separated from the rubber
I think Big Emma is missing the bushing and ring which keeps the shaft axial
Play minimal. Without that bushing, each steering event flexes the coupling up and it fatigue fails.
Bentley shows that the nuts go on the rubber side, so bolts down from the top and up from the bottom. We used washers and Nylocks M8
Asiab informed me he has seen unmolested busses with all four bolts facing down. |
Yes - before removing the old coupler, we did a bit of observation as Sven turned the wheels back and forth. Glad I'm not driving with that piece of rubber anymore.
For now, we replaced it with another low-quality spare we had lying around while we wait to get some good ones from Richard. We will switch it out again when that arrives.
Anyone happen to have a part number for the bushing and ring?
Also, the first time I did this, I definitely did not know you could go in from the top to reach those bolts, and did all of them from under the car. Glad to know this job is way easier than the first time around _________________ 1975 Bus "Big Emma", 1.8 FI, Hydraulic lifters
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3899 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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GoBigEmma wrote: |
Anyone happen to have a part number for the bushing and ring? |
I suppose by that you mean the bearing and thrust ring (as VW calls them)? Those are the only things
restraining the column movement radially. The bearing is VW #211-415-585B (mid '74 - up), don't know about
the thrust ring, or even if one is needed, for '68-mid '74 it was 113-415-589A.
As far as I can see, there's really nothing other than the stiffness of the rubber coupler and the spring under the steering wheel
preventing up-and-down (axial) movement of the steering column, aside from interference of attached parts. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
'68 bug: seized by the authorities
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bvolks Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2004 Posts: 845 Location: New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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Has anybody tried this one, made by Dansk?
https://store.concept1.ca/Steering-Coupler-Bus-68-79-211415417-JP _________________ 1985 Diesel Jetta Coupe (temporarily retired at
756,000 km)
1971 Doublecab project
1995 Golf CL
1974 Beetle
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2573 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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bad link |
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bvolks Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2004 Posts: 845 Location: New Brunswick, Canada
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3899 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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bvolks wrote: |
Try this. <some link> |
I get Page Not Found, from Concept1. Its the same
link you posted before. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
'68 bug: seized by the authorities
'71 kombi: not yet seized by the authorities
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bvolks Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2004 Posts: 845 Location: New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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That's odd. I got my daughter to try it and it works for her.
_________________ 1985 Diesel Jetta Coupe (temporarily retired at
756,000 km)
1971 Doublecab project
1995 Golf CL
1974 Beetle
1978 Westfalia |
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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I think their site automagically detects if you're coming from the US or Canada, which screws up the link. I also got a Page Not Found, then entered
the part number and it took me to a usstore.concept1.ca page.
Try: http://usstore.concept1.ca/Steering-Coupler-Bus-68-79-211415417-JP-64004/
That said, if it's anything like the JP Group sway bar clamps I tried working with a couple months ago I'd run far far away. Steering coupler is *far* more safety-critical than swap bar clamps... |
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vw nutter Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2016 Posts: 22 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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I read this whole thread, great read.
Since i also needed this part, my hunt began to find the best solution!
With a lot of correct & incorrect info on this part i had to find out myself.
I have spent a few weeks searching and researching about the 211415417 T2 bus steering coupling.
I also tested almost every coupling type on the current market and came to the conclusions that ALL of them are JUNK.,
The following are just some i tried;
C&C/ OEM, Premium quality, Richard Davies type.
All of which were very soft and could easily be bent/ taco'd in half.
Unfortunately they are all produced now to a price and not quality.
My conclusion is;
There are NO good couplings on the market.
However, i did locate a manufacturer who was one of the original producers of the disc, they can reproduce the disc to original spec now but the cost is very high even for larger quantities due to each disc being handmade in a mould. |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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vw nutter wrote: |
I read this whole thread, great read.
Since i also needed this part, my hunt began to find the best solution!
With a lot of correct & incorrect info on this part i had to find out myself.
I have spent a few weeks searching and researching about the 211415417 T2 bus steering coupling.
I also tested almost every coupling type on the current market and came to the conclusions that ALL of them are JUNK.,
The following are just some i tried;
C&C/ OEM, Premium quality, Richard Davies type.
All of which were very soft and could easily be bent/ taco'd in half.
Unfortunately they are all produced now to a price and not quality.
My conclusion is;
There are NO good couplings on the market.
However, i did locate a manufacturer who was one of the original producers of the disc, they can reproduce the disc to original spec now but the cost is very high even for larger quantities due to each disc being handmade in a mould. |
Did you actually try the one from Richard Davies? _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
70 single cab |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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vw nutter wrote: |
I read this whole thread, great read.
Since i also needed this part, my hunt began to find the best solution!
With a lot of correct & incorrect info on this part i had to find out myself.
I have spent a few weeks searching and researching about the 211415417 T2 bus steering coupling.
I also tested almost every coupling type on the current market and came to the conclusions that ALL of them are JUNK.,
The following are just some i tried;
C&C/ OEM, Premium quality, Richard Davies type.
All of which were very soft and could easily be bent/ taco'd in half.
Unfortunately they are all produced now to a price and not quality.
My conclusion is;
There are NO good couplings on the market.
However, i did locate a manufacturer who was one of the original producers of the disc, they can reproduce the disc to original spec now but the cost is very high even for larger quantities due to each disc being handmade in a mould. |
The NOS couplers are still out there. I stumbled across (4) at a VW swap a couple of years ago. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
The NOS couplers are still out there. I stumbled across (4) at a VW swap a couple of years ago. |
Same here. I found one at the Pomona Swap Meet a year ago and bought one... even though I don't need one yet.
Keep looking, and you'll find them. _________________ -Kent-
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Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
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vw nutter Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2016 Posts: 22 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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Did you actually try the one from Richard Davies?[/quote]
YES i bought 50 pieces off him, They were ALL JUNK. I returned them all back to him. |
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vw nutter Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2016 Posts: 22 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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[quote="wcfvw69".[/quote]
The NOS couplers are still out there. I stumbled across (4) at a VW swap a couple of years ago.[/quote]
YES but VERY hard to find,
I struck it lucky this week and found 9 original VW ones and some beetle original VW ones from an old VW dealer who had old stock left, they were stored cool and in the dark. The quality is night and day compared to all the repro junk on the current market.
. im happy now!
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