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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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bobbyblack wrote: |
Found the problem.. |
Doing the electrical diagnostic given in the manual is quick and easy and would have shown this kind of fault. |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6543 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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bobbyblack wrote: |
Found the problem.. For now, I put the old O2 sensor back in while I sort out what to do with this brand new one..
BTW, the Vanistan/RMW tri-y exhaust is AWESOME now.
-bobby |
Guess the photo tells all, but to blind eyes what was the issue? _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4349 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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New O2 harness lead got pinched in a place I couldn't see, and melted the wire jackets. Sucks, since I had to loosen one of the bandclamps to free it. VC recommends that the bandclamps are a 1 time/placement item, as they take 75-80 ft pounds to properly bind the pipes together. Also sucks because the area bound by the clamp is supposed to have exhaust mud/paste, and now that needs to be cleaned up. Last, it sucks because I need to find a new (more realistically used) lead wire for the three wire sensor AND sort out weather or not the two white wires need to be on specific sides of the plug, AND solder them AND sort out weather there is a shield wire on the '86-'91 O2 sensors..
Sucks to be stupid..
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6543 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Ain't nothing stupid about not knowing everything.
It's a burden Man, let me tell you. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4349 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Just glad it was ONLY a ~$100 screw-up. The one from the old exhaust is fine for now. I will either find a harness lead to solder the new sensor on, or just send VC another order. I don't mind having done something, even if it was not quite right.. It is now, and that is what is best.
Plus, of course, the 'end game' of the new exhaust is really what this was about. I didn't bust a knuckle or pop a vein, so that is all just bonus
Got to say, the blast of this exhaust feeling GOOD at 5500RPM is nothing compared to the sound Thrill on Thrill!
I am guessing my next stupid lazy post will be "I blew my engine at 6200RPM" chasing a Sandy Blond
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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The signal wire looks like it could just be repaired with liquid electrical tape (or other) and the heater wires could just be spliced onto another plug. |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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bobbyblack wrote: |
New O2 harness lead got pinched in a place I couldn't see, and melted the wire jackets. Sucks, since I had to loosen one of the bandclamps to free it. VC recommends that the bandclamps are a 1 time/placement item, as they take 75-80 ft pounds to properly bind the pipes together. Also sucks because the area bound by the clamp is supposed to have exhaust mud/paste, and now that needs to be cleaned up. Last, it sucks because I need to find a new (more realistically used) lead wire for the three wire sensor AND sort out weather or not the two white wires need to be on specific sides of the plug, AND solder them AND sort out weather there is a shield wire on the '86-'91 O2 sensors..
Sucks to be stupid..
-bobby |
Just splice the wires, no polarity on the white heater wires. Retighten the band clamp. You might consider them one-time after a long time in use with many thermal cycles, but in this case you should be good to just retighten it. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
https://intrepidoverland.com/vanistan/
Please don't PM here, I will not reply.
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khughes Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2013 Posts: 747 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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tencentlife wrote: |
bobbyblack wrote: |
New O2 harness lead got pinched in a place I couldn't see, and melted the wire jackets. Sucks, since I had to loosen one of the bandclamps to free it. VC recommends that the bandclamps are a 1 time/placement item, as they take 75-80 ft pounds to properly bind the pipes together. Also sucks because the area bound by the clamp is supposed to have exhaust mud/paste, and now that needs to be cleaned up. Last, it sucks because I need to find a new (more realistically used) lead wire for the three wire sensor AND sort out weather or not the two white wires need to be on specific sides of the plug, AND solder them AND sort out weather there is a shield wire on the '86-'91 O2 sensors..
Sucks to be stupid..
-bobby |
Just splice the wires, no polarity on the white heater wires. Retighten the band clamp. You might consider them one-time after a long time in use with many thermal cycles, but in this case you should be good to just retighten it. |
And the signal wire *should* be shielded. Shield grounded on one end only. _________________ '86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin) |
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tencentlife Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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There's no shielding on the signal wire from the sender itself because none is needed, that's why they don't come with any. The shielding is only needed on the signal wire inside the wiring harness, because it runs bundled closely and parallel to the injector power wires, which are an alternating current source. Only alternating currents, specifically the build-up and collapse of electromagnetic fields they cause, will induce current in nearby conductors (that's why there's no such thing as a DC transformer, and that's why we have an ac power grid). Cross-inductance is highest if the conductors run parallel, and is stronger the longer the parallel run is. So the injectors pulsing on and off will induce small alternating current in the O2 signal wire. Hence the shielding, which it already has.
If you ran the O2 signal wire outside of the bundle with a couple inches between, and avoided close parallel routing, no shielding would probably be needed.
Bobby doesn't need to do anything here except to do a clean splice job on the wire remnants, hook it up as normal, and retighten the exh. band clamp.
And don't worry, Bobby, the EFI won't let you over-rev the engine, use the full range of rpms and don't look back. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
https://intrepidoverland.com/vanistan/
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4349 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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tencentlife wrote: |
And don't worry, Bobby, the EFI won't let you over-rev the engine, use the full range of rpms and don't look back. |
I may have just never tried to get the top end closer to redline.. Perhaps I've been babying this piggy far too long. Now the mid to top end is actually FUN! I find shifting by the sound of the new exhaust is a way better how-to than my previous method It has a nice Voice on the top end of the RPMs
Thanks Chris!!
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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I have not yet owned a Vanagon with electric locks. There is a part I want to find that I don't know the name of. On my EuroVan, there was a strike plate with 4 brass slots on the frame, and on the door there was a set of 4 pogo-stick like contactors that would slot in. I guess its possible that I remember the sides wrong, but you get the idea..
I assume that the Vanagon with power locks have something like that? I would like to see a picture, if anyone has one, and the name of the parts would be good to know as well.
Thanks
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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bobbyblack Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Yes, looking for both sides. Not for use with the locks tho [hope to present 'stupid human tricks' soon]
Thanks
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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E1 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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bobbyblack wrote: |
[hope to present 'stupid human tricks' soon] |
Finally, I can contribute. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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ALstew Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2016 Posts: 176 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Which fuse goes to the ignition? My girlfriend lives in a decent neighborhood, but I have to park on the street. Hopefully this nevers happens, but if someone were to ever break-in I don't want them to be able to start the van. So I was thinking I could pull a couple fuses when I park and keep them in my pocket.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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ALstew wrote: |
Which fuse goes to the ignition? My girlfriend lives in a decent neighborhood, but I have to park on the street. Hopefully this nevers happens, but if someone were to ever break-in I don't want them to be able to start the van. So I was thinking I could pull a couple fuses when I park and keep them in my pocket.
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The ignition isn't fused.
There are several threads on ways to make you rig hard for someone else to figure out how to start. |
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VWeGoBeachNow Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2010 Posts: 197 Location: CRUISING DOWN PCH IN THE OC
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Hey ya'll!
I had my power steering bushing and outer tie rods replaced recently and took it in for an alignment today. I gave my local shop the Bentley specs and when it was done the read out said for 1988 Transporter half load.
The Bentley says from 1986 on, have a lower chassis height. For these vehicles use the "half-load" measurement as "empty" settings.
I do have the stock ride height and nothing really inside so is the half load - empty settings correct?
Much Thanks! _________________ 88 Wolfsburg Limited Edition Vanagon GL Tin Top
Vesuve Grey underneath cheapo Vesuve Grey paint job
2.1 L
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kiltedhiker Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Hey Bobby. Is this the power lock connection your were looking for?
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dhaavers Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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I'm certainly not Bobby, but that's certainly what he's talking about...
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Wildthings wrote: |
ALstew wrote: |
Which fuse goes to the ignition? My girlfriend lives in a decent neighborhood, but I have to park on the street. Hopefully this nevers happens, but if someone were to ever break-in I don't want them to be able to start the van. So I was thinking I could pull a couple fuses when I park and keep them in my pocket.
Thanks! |
The ignition isn't fused.
There are several threads on ways to make you rig hard for someone else to figure out how to start. |
A common solution for this is to add a kill switch that prevents any number of things required to start the van. Killing the fuel pump is popular.
Also common is installing a cell phone or gps tracking device. These vans do get stolen but 99% of the time they seem to be found w/in a few miles of their home.
Also, use the VanAlert app. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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